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Question for Muslims on Cleromancy.

Discussion in 'Religions Q&A' started by Xavier Graham SA, Sep 15, 2021 at 9:16 AM.

  1. Xavier Graham SA

    Xavier Graham SA God is Love, is love, is love. OM, AV KAH AHH!

    Jun 3, 2021
    Syncretic Anarchism
    Hello. A while back I made a thread arguing that cleromancy was not a sin from a Christian perspective.
    Christians only: is casting lots/cleromancy a sin?
    I was reading the Quran, and I came across this verse.
    Q 5:3
    Prohibited to you are dead animals, blood, the flesh of swine, and that which has been dedicated to other than Allah , and [those animals] killed by strangling or by a violent blow or by a head-long fall or by the goring of horns, and those from which a wild animal has eaten, except what you [are able to] slaughter [before its death], and those which are sacrificed on stone altars, and [prohibited is] that you seek decision through divining arrows. That is grave disobedience. This day those who disbelieve have despaired of [defeating] your religion; so fear them not, but fear Me. This day I have perfected for you your religion and completed My favor upon you and have approved for you Islam as religion. But whoever is forced by severe hunger with no inclination to sin - then indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.

    Seems pretty straight forward. However, the Christian verses condemning divination seem straight forward, yet the apostles use cleromancy, so I argued that it was who you seeked divination from which determined if it was a sin or not in my earlier thread.

    I’ve also read that cleromancy is written about in Hadiths. Here is an abstract

    As established by classical jurists, drawing lots played a modest role in Islamic law, except in matters of descent, where its use was controversial. In this paper, we endeavour to bring to light the origins of this procedure in the sources of Islamic law. They occur in the exegeses of the Koran, which mentions drawing lots alongside other divinatory practices held to be illicit. By contrast, in the sayings attributed to the Prophet (hadith), references to drawing lots are much more numerous, either in helping to make a decision or as a means of resolving a conflict, or again in cult matters in order to decide between candidates for a single position. The analysis of a passage in the biography of Muhammad (sira) shows that God may express himself through the drawing of lots. The drawing of lots is also used to settle the legality of descent, in particular when several men claim paternity of the same child

    So is there further context to the verse surrounding divination? Or is it as straight forward as it seems? Why do Hadiths talk about casting lots, does that mean that it is approved? That’s the conclusion I’ve come to with the Bible.
    It makes me wary of practicing cleromancy, which I do regularly. at the same time I oughta stop eating pork chops :D
    #1 Xavier Graham SA, Sep 15, 2021 at 9:16 AM
    Last edited: Sep 15, 2021 at 11:45 AM