Quentin Tarantino's Star Trek

[Shadow Wolf]

Human beings are a violent species. One of my favorite speeches by Kirk was from "A Taste of Armageddon":
The Premise:"On a mission to establish diplomatic relations at Star Cluster NGC321, Kirk and Spock beam down to planet Eminiar 7 to learn that its inhabitants have been at war with a neighboring planet for over 500 years. They can find no damage nor evidence of destruction but soon learn that their war is essentially a war game, where each planet attacks the other in a computer simulation with the tabulated victims voluntarily surrendering themselves for execution after the fact. When the Enterprise becomes a victim in the computer simulation and ordered destroyed, Kirk decides it's time to show them exactly what war means."

Kirk destroys their ability to kill people in accordance with their rules of war thus setting up the possibility of actual war.
Anan 7:You realise what you have done?

Captain James T. Kirk: Yes, I do. I've given you back the horrors of war. The Vendikans now assume that you've broken your agreement and that you're preparing to wage real war with real weapons. They'll want do the same. Only the next attack they launch will do a lot more than count up numbers in a computer. They'll destroy cities, devastate your planet. You of course will want to retaliate. If I were you, I'd start making bombs. Yes, Councilman, you have a real war on your hands. You can either wage it with real weapons, or you might consider an alternative. Put an end to it. Make peace.

Anan 7: There can be no peace. Don't you see? We've admitted it to ourselves. We're a killer species. It's instinctive. It's the same with you. Your General Order Twenty Four.

Captain James T. Kirk: All right. It's instinctive. But the instinct can be fought. We're human beings with the blood of a million savage years on our hands, but we can stop it. We can admit that we're killers, but we're not going to kill today. That's all it takes. Knowing that we won't kill today. Contact Vendikar. I think you'll find that they're just as terrified, appalled, horrified as you are, that they'll do anything to avoid the alternative I've given you. Peace or utter destruction. It's up to you.

One thing I love about Kirk, even if its blatant cheating or doesnt matter anyways, he hates losing and will do anything to not lose. Lose a war game he didnt get a chance to even play? Never on his watch.

 

[The Reverend Bob]

One thing I love about Kirk, even if its blatant cheating or doesnt matter anyways, he hates losing and will do anything to not lose. Lose a war game he didnt get a chance to even play? Never on his watch.

Kirk somehow always got away with violating the Prime Directive

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Kirk somehow always got away with violating the Prime Directive

So does Picard. Kirk I have my doubts, but at least Picard probably keeps meticulous and immaculately detailed records to support his reasons.

 

[SomeRandom]

A Tarintino Star Trek?
Interesting combo.
Sign me the hell up!

 

[Quagmire]

You just nailed why ST was so great: it looked for the best in mankind.

And it had to go where no man has gone before to look for it.

 

[Road Warrior]

One thing I love about Kirk, even if its blatant cheating or doesnt matter anyways, he hates losing and will do anything to not lose. Lose a war game he didnt get a chance to even play? Never on his watch.

Kirk somehow always got away with violating the Prime Directive

Isn't that just "The ends justify the means"?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

And it had to go where no man has gone before to look for it.

I want to laugh at that. But its too true to be funny.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Isn't that just "The ends justify the means"?

Yup. Its ok though when youre a cocky hot shot captain who even refuses to lose to the gods.

 

[Road Warrior]

And it had to go where no man has gone before to look for it.

They did, but like Dorothy in the Wizard of Oz, they found it was in themselves all the time.

 

[Nimos]

Such as??

I liked Rogue One the best. Solo was more of an introduction movie. Last Jedi was good. All of them are well rated on IMDB.

This could be a long one, but ill try to keep it short and might reference all the new movies

Characters
The first thing that jump into mind are the boring characters, none of them have any personality. You have the Mary sue character of Rey, that out of no where turns out to be the most bad *** Jedi in the freaking universe, an amazing pilot, even though she have never flown a spaceship before. She without any problem whatsoever fixes the Millennium falcon without ever having been on it before, not to mention her flying it good as Han solo in the first movie as well. Even Han solo can't fix it, who have owned it for I don't know how long. No problem for Rey. She orders and correct Ciabatta around the ship like she owns it, despite him having flown around with Han solo for a very long time, so he is demoted to be her side kick. Out of no where and without any training or any background she learns to use the force, even though she don't believe it actually exists. She wins over Luke in a sword fight with no problem, I mean freaking Luke!!! If you look how difficult it is for Luke in the original (Real) Star wars movies and how long it takes him to learn how to use the force, even while being trained by Yoda himself. Not, Rey it takes her a few minutes and after that she can almost move mountains of rock without any problem. She is evenly fighting against Kylo ren, again without any training. And also if you notice she actually have to translate what Ciabatta is saying, Luke have known him for ages and perfectly understand him, and how on earth have she suddenly learned to speak Wookie?

Luke have been completely butchered and turned into a freaking self sorry, sad excuse of a man, who have been fighting his whole life to save his father and make him return to the light side, because he believed it were possible... and what is the lame reason given for his state? That he sensed Kylo ren turning to the dark side, even though Lukes were in fact able to return one of the most evil characters in Star wars back to the light side, he instantly give up with Kylo ren. If that is not enough, its his freaking nephew and no hard feelings between Leia, Han solo towards Luke. That Luke instantly give up on Kylo ren, is to completely kill Lukes character from the real Star wars movies.

Kylo ren is probably the most boring, sad, crying, childish excuse for a bad guy ever. Completely uninteresting all over the place character.

Then you have the only sort of interesting character, Snoke who is apparently an extremely powerful Sith, who tells Mary sue (Rey), that he have played her and Kylo ren against each other and know exactly what is going to happen. But for whatever mysteries reason, he is unable to sense that Kylo ren is turning the freaking light saber towards him, and is just instantly killed. What the hell was that? Then it is followed up by the most weak fight ever, if you try to look at the fight a few times, you will see how awful it is. Bad guys just standing there waiting for there turn, even though they could cut them down as easy as possible.

But what you end up with, having gone through all the character is that Ciabatta is actually the most interesting character left and you can't even understand what he is saying, and they have even made him look ridiculous as well with all those (commercial) pingvins that constantly have to be on the screen whenever he is.

There is a lot more to said about the characters, but to keep this short

Spaceships
In the real Star wars movies the Rebels uses Y-wings as their primary bombers, however in the new ones they use bombers like they were something out of WW2, completely weird design, where they have to get on top of their target to drop their bombs...seriously?

Also for some unexplained reason, in the second movie it is apparently possible to hyper jump a spaceship into another. Which makes you wonder why they didn't do that in the beginning of the movie and also why they didn't just sacrifice a few drone controlled ships in the Real Star wars movie to take out the Death star. But that isn't enough, it also render Rogue one utterly irrelevant of why they need to steal the plans for the Death star, just hyper jump a couple of X-wing into it and problem solved. Even more than that, any future space combat they make, will never make sense again, as you will always wonder why they don't just hyper jump into each other.

The Force
So all mystery around the force is gone, anyone who wants to use it, can apparently do so. Leia is shot into space and uses the force to return to the ship, are you kidding me? She is not trained as a Jedi and space would kill her in so many different ways, that it is just ridiculous. For some reason Luke have stored plans in the droid so he can be found, yet when Rey find him, he won't help her... I mean it makes no sense.

Yoda out of the blue appears and is suddenly able to use the force to set fire to things, why didn't Obi wan do that in the Real movies? So the force just changes to whatever is needed, without any respect to the lore.

Luke passing a ring to Leia before he goes out to face Kylo ren, how the hell did he do that, he weren't there... well doesn't matter we just change the force. And then he suddenly die sitting on the island, with no explanation and no honor to his character. He weren't even man enough to face Kylo ren in person... seriously haven't they watched the real movies?

And you could go on, the movies are so bad, that its a miracle that the stories that were written weren't discarded straight away.

 

[Road Warrior]

This could be a long one, but ill try to keep it short and might reference all the new movies

Characters
The first thing that springs into mind are the boring characters, none of them have any personality. You have the Mary sue character of Rey, that out of no where turns out to be the most bad *** Jedi in the freaking universe, an amazing pilot, even though she have never flown a spaceship before. She without any problem whatsoever fixes the Millennium falcon without ever having been on it before, not to mention her flying it good as Han solo in the first movie as well. Even Han solo can't fix it, who have owned it for I don't know how long. No problem for Rey. She orders and correct Ciabatta around the ship like she owns it, despite him having flown around with Han solo for a very long time, so he is demoted to be her side kick. Out of no where and without any training or any background she learns to use the force, even though she don't believe it actually exists. She wins over Luke in a sword fight with no problem, I mean freaking Luke!!! If you look how difficult it is for Luke in the original (Real) Star wars movies, how long it takes him to learn how to use the force, even with while being trained by Yoda himself. Not, Rey takes her a few minutes and after that she can almost move mountains of rock without any problem. She is evenly fighting against Kylo ren, again without any training. And also if you notice she actually have to translate what Ciabatta is saying, Luke have known him for ages and perfectly understand him, and how on earth have she suddenly learned to speak Wookie?

Luke have been completely butchered and turned into a freaking self sorry, sad excuse of a man, who have been fighting his whole life to save his father and make him return to the light side, because he believed it were possible... and what is the lame reason given for his state? That he sensed Kylo ren turning to the dark side, even though Lukes were in fact able to return one of the most evil characters in Star wars back to the light side, and instantly give up with Kylo ren. If that is not enough, its his freaking nephew and no hard feelings between Leia, Han solo towards Luke. That Luke instantly give up on Kylo ren, is to completely kill Lukes character from the real Star wars movies.

Kylo ren is probably the most boring, sad, crying, childish excuse for a bad guy ever. Completely uninteresting all over the place character.

The you have the only sort of interesting character, Snoke who is apparently an extremely powerful Sith, who tells Mary sue (Rey), that he have played her and Kylo ren against each other and know exactly what were going to happen. But for whatever mysteries reason, he is unable to sense that Kylo run is turning the freaking light saber towards him, and is just instantly killed. What the hell was that? Then it is followed up by the most weak fight ever, if you try to look at the fight a few times, you will see how awful it is. Bad guys just standing there waiting for there turn, even though they could cut them down as easy as possible.

There is a lot more to said about the characters, but to keep this short

But what you end up with, having gone through all the character is that Ciabatta is actually the most interesting character left and you can't even understand what he is saying, and they have even made him look ridiculous as well with all those (commercial) pingvins that constantly have to be on the screen whenever he is.

Spaceship
In the real Star wars movies the Rebel uses Y-wings as there primary bombers, however in the new ones they use bombers like they were something out of WW2, completely weird design, where they have to get on top of their target to drop their bombs...seriously?

Also for some unexplained reason, in the second movie it is apparently possible to hyper jump a spaceship into another. Which makes you wonder why they didn't do that in the beginning on the movie and also why they didn't just sacrifice a few drone controlled ships in the Real Star wars movie to take out the Death star. But that isn't enough, it also render Rogue one utterly irrelevant of why they need to steal the plans for the Death star, just hyper jump a X-wing into it or a couple. Even more than that, any future space combat they make, will never make sense again, as you will always wonder why they don't just do that.

The Force
So all mystery around the force is gone, anyone who wants to use it, can apparently do so. Leia is shot into space to use the force to return to the ship, are you kidding me? She is not trained as a Jedi and space would kill her in so many different ways, that it is just ridiculous. For some reason Luke have stored plans in the droid so he can be found, yet when Rey find him, he won't help her... I mean it makes no sense.

Yoda out of the blue appears and is suddenly able to use the force to set fire to things, I mean why didn't obi wan do that in the Real movies? So the force just changes to whatever is needed, without any respect to the lore.

Luke passing a ring to Leia before he goes out to face Kylo ren, how the hell did he do that, he weren't there... well doesn't matter we just change the force. And then he suddenly die sitting on the island, with no explanation and no honor to his character. He weren't even man enough to face Kylo ren in person... seriously haven't they watched the real movies?

And you could go on, the movies are so bad, that its a miracle that the stories that were written weren't discarded straight away.

Thanks. So what make you think all of the first six are superior...or do you believe only the first three are superior?

 

[The Reverend Bob]

You have the Mary sue character of Rey, that out of no where turns out to be the most bad *** Jedi in the freaking universe, an amazing pilot, even though she have never flown a spaceship before.

You mean like Anakin Skywalker? Why is she a Mary Sue and he isn't?

 

[Nimos]

Thanks. So what make you think all of the first six are superior...or do you believe only the first three are superior?

The original 3 movies are the only worth watching Star wars movies (4,5,6), those that Lucas made (1,2,3) were almost as bad as these, but at least the lore was consistence with the original. The first one with JarJar, is just amazingly bad, in pretty much all areas and gradually becomes better in the 2,3 movie.

 

[Nimos]

You mean like Anakin Skywalker? Why is she a Mary Sue and he isn't?

Well in the first movie (1) where he is kid, he is, but also annoying. But he does have flaws in the others as he becomes more and more evil, so he is not perfect. Rey in the new one, have no conflicts and no character she can do whatever is needed, when she need it. And for the most part you get the impression that the other characters are actually just in the way of her solving the things on her own.

 

[The Reverend Bob]

Well in the first movie (1) where he is kid, he is, but also annoying. But he does have flaws in the others as he becomes more and more evil, so he is not perfect. Rey in the new one, have no conflicts and no character she can do whatever is needed, when she need it. And for the most part you get the impression that the other characters are actually just in the way of her solving the things on her own.

in chapter one Anakin knows how to build droids, race pods and all sorts of crap. He is a Mary Sue

 

[Nimos]

in chapter one Anakin knows how to build droids, race pods and all sorts of crap. He is a Mary Sue

Yeah, agree. its an amazingly bad movie

 

[Shadow Wolf]

This could be a long one, but ill try to keep it short and might reference all the new movies

Characters
The first thing that jump into mind are the boring characters, none of them have any personality. You have the Mary sue character of Rey, that out of no where turns out to be the most bad *** Jedi in the freaking universe, an amazing pilot, even though she have never flown a spaceship before. She without any problem whatsoever fixes the Millennium falcon without ever having been on it before, not to mention her flying it good as Han solo in the first movie as well. Even Han solo can't fix it, who have owned it for I don't know how long. No problem for Rey. She orders and correct Ciabatta around the ship like she owns it, despite him having flown around with Han solo for a very long time, so he is demoted to be her side kick. Out of no where and without any training or any background she learns to use the force, even though she don't believe it actually exists. She wins over Luke in a sword fight with no problem, I mean freaking Luke!!! If you look how difficult it is for Luke in the original (Real) Star wars movies and how long it takes him to learn how to use the force, even while being trained by Yoda himself. Not, Rey it takes her a few minutes and after that she can almost move mountains of rock without any problem. She is evenly fighting against Kylo ren, again without any training. And also if you notice she actually have to translate what Ciabatta is saying, Luke have known him for ages and perfectly understand him, and how on earth have she suddenly learned to speak Wookie?

Luke have been completely butchered and turned into a freaking self sorry, sad excuse of a man, who have been fighting his whole life to save his father and make him return to the light side, because he believed it were possible... and what is the lame reason given for his state? That he sensed Kylo ren turning to the dark side, even though Lukes were in fact able to return one of the most evil characters in Star wars back to the light side, he instantly give up with Kylo ren. If that is not enough, its his freaking nephew and no hard feelings between Leia, Han solo towards Luke. That Luke instantly give up on Kylo ren, is to completely kill Lukes character from the real Star wars movies.

Kylo ren is probably the most boring, sad, crying, childish excuse for a bad guy ever. Completely uninteresting all over the place character.

Then you have the only sort of interesting character, Snoke who is apparently an extremely powerful Sith, who tells Mary sue (Rey), that he have played her and Kylo ren against each other and know exactly what is going to happen. But for whatever mysteries reason, he is unable to sense that Kylo run is turning the freaking light saber towards him, and is just instantly killed. What the hell was that? Then it is followed up by the most weak fight ever, if you try to look at the fight a few times, you will see how awful it is. Bad guys just standing there waiting for there turn, even though they could cut them down as easy as possible.

But what you end up with, having gone through all the character is that Ciabatta is actually the most interesting character left and you can't even understand what he is saying, and they have even made him look ridiculous as well with all those (commercial) pingvins that constantly have to be on the screen whenever he is.

There is a lot more to said about the characters, but to keep this short

Spaceships
In the real Star wars movies the Rebels uses Y-wings as their primary bombers, however in the new ones they use bombers like they were something out of WW2, completely weird design, where they have to get on top of their target to drop their bombs...seriously?

Also for some unexplained reason, in the second movie it is apparently possible to hyper jump a spaceship into another. Which makes you wonder why they didn't do that in the beginning of the movie and also why they didn't just sacrifice a few drone controlled ships in the Real Star wars movie to take out the Death star. But that isn't enough, it also render Rogue one utterly irrelevant of why they need to steal the plans for the Death star, just hyper jump a couple of X-wing into it and problem solved. Even more than that, any future space combat they make, will never make sense again, as you will always wonder why they don't just hyper jump into each other.

The Force
So all mystery around the force is gone, anyone who wants to use it, can apparently do so. Leia is shot into space and uses the force to return to the ship, are you kidding me? She is not trained as a Jedi and space would kill her in so many different ways, that it is just ridiculous. For some reason Luke have stored plans in the droid so he can be found, yet when Rey find him, he won't help her... I mean it makes no sense.

Yoda out of the blue appears and is suddenly able to use the force to set fire to things, why didn't Obi wan do that in the Real movies? So the force just changes to whatever is needed, without any respect to the lore.

Luke passing a ring to Leia before he goes out to face Kylo ren, how the hell did he do that, he weren't there... well doesn't matter we just change the force. And then he suddenly die sitting on the island, with no explanation and no honor to his character. He weren't even man enough to face Kylo ren in person... seriously haven't they watched the real movies?

And you could go on, the movies are so bad, that its a miracle that the stories that were written weren't discarded straight away.

One point that nees brought up is they blew up another Death Star. How many times do they expect us to watch an ending that includes flying into a spaceship to blow it up?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

in chapter one Anakin knows how to build droids, race pods and all sorts of crap. He is a Mary Sue

Hes been at them for sime time, hes the chosen one, and his midichlorian count is high enough that he can do that. It's surprising to everyone but Qui-Gon, and the Jedi Counsell, who seem to know exactly who Anakin is.

 

[Nimos]

One point that nees brought up is they blew up another Death Star. How many times do they expect us to watch an ending that includes flying into a spaceship to blow it up?

Agree, its would take pages to go through all the stuff.

For instance in the second movie when they fly to the planet to get that code breaker guy. They get arrested, why? Because of an illegal parking....seriously?

Well the code breaker ain't there, but how lucky can you be, they are put into a cell with another one actually able to do exactly what they need, imagine if he hadn't been in that cell

Not enough with that, that Chinese girl, then show some real morale qualities as she want to save the animals, that is one noble cause.... except that the planet is filled with freaking slave children.... mhhhmm

 

[The Reverend Bob]

Hes been at them for sime time, hes the chosen one, and his midichlorian count is high enough that he can do that. It's surprising to everyone but Qui-Gon, and the Jedi Counsell, who seem to know exactly who Anakin is.

Maybe it is the same way with Rey, it seems to me to be so.