Quantum Physics and Religion

[Ellen Brown]

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Most of the maths are almost completely inscrutable to me, though I did attain some utility with Algebra. Calculus was a complete mystery to me. Recently I was looking over some information on Quantum Physics, Electron Entanglement and all that sort of thing and feel that I have happened upon an astonishing revelation.

If what I read actually has practical application at some level, then to me it potentially explains so much about the Theological things which we can not see. They aren't visible to eyes that see best in the visible light range.

I can't explain much about Quantum Mechanics because I simply do not have the vocabulary, and I hate to make Atheists and Agnostics feel challenged because there is lots of room for various ways to think about things. In one of the Videos I watched it seemed entirely plausible for objects to exist in more than one place at once, or only one as is convenient. Whether there are 3, 10, or 15 dimensions are not, I can not solve.

One Astronomer said that between what we see, dark energy and dark matter, we likely see less than 5% of what exists. So, right here on earth there could exist 95% more than just us and we'd have no idea. Lots of room for God and the heavenlies.

 

[exchemist]

As usual, I have no idea where this thread goes, so please feel free to move it as you wish.


Most of the maths are almost completely inscrutable to me, though I did attain some utility with Algebra. Calculus was a complete mystery to me. Recently I was looking over some information on Quantum Physics, Electron Entanglement and all that sort of thing and feel that I have happened upon an astonishing revelation.

If what I read actually has practical application at some level, then to me it potentially explains so much about the Theological things which we can not see. They aren't visible to eyes that see best in the visible light range.

I can't explain much about Quantum Mechanics because I simply do not have the vocabulary, and I hate to make Atheists and Agnostics feel challenged because there is lots of room for various ways to think about things. In one of the Videos I watched it seemed entirely plausible for objects to exist in more than one place at once, or only one as is convenient. Whether there are 3, 10, or 15 dimensions are not, I can not solve.

One Astronomer said that between what we see, dark energy and dark matter, we likely see less than 5% of what exists. So, right here on earth there could exist 95% more than just us and we'd have no idea. Lots of room for God and the heavenlies.

You mean: "There are more things in heaven and earth Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy"? I suppose that does seem to be true.

But don't push the science too far in this respect. It is basically a "God of the Gaps" approach and such approaches to religion are doomed, as Cardinal Newman realised, (some years before Darwin's Origin of Species).

 

[metis]

Einstein was not a fan of q.m. as he said "God doesn't play at dice". Well, I guess God actually does. Doesn't bother me any.

 

[Axe Elf]

Most of the maths are almost completely inscrutable to me, though I did attain some utility with Algebra. Calculus was a complete mystery to me. Recently I was looking over some information on Quantum Physics, Electron Entanglement and all that sort of thing and feel that I have happened upon an astonishing revelation.

A lot of people, including myself, have found a sort of spirituality in the unusual theories of quantum mechanics.

While I was in college, I resonated with books like "The Tao of Physics" by Frijov Capra and "The Dancing Wu Li Masters" by Gary Zukav. Even before that, in high school, I found a certain Godliness in mathematics through books like "1, 2, 3... Infinity" by George Gamow.

Recommended reading if you're feeling the same way.

 

[exchemist]

A lot of people, including myself, have found a sort of spirituality in the unusual theories of quantum mechanics.

While I was in college, I resonated with books like "The Tao of Physics" by Frijov Capra and "The Dancing Wu Li Masters" by Gary Zukav. Even before that, in high school, I found a certain Godliness in mathematics through books like "1, 2, 3... Infinity" by George Gamow.

Recommended reading if you're feeling the same way.

I agree. I also found the mysterious and counterintuitive nature of some of the effects awe-inspiring and spiritual. But not because I felt QM explained the supernatural. It was rather the realisation that nature was more intricate and contained more layers - and more satisfying connections - within it than I had ever imagined.

 

[Ellen Brown]

You mean: "There are more things in heaven and earth Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy"? I suppose that does seem to be true.

But don't push the science too far in this respect. It is basically a "God of the Gaps" approach and such approaches to religion are doomed, as Cardinal Newman realised, (some years before Darwin's Origin of Species).

Your view is not surprising. My own approach to it is that there is just so much that we don't know. One day we shall see it as it is.

 

[Ellen Brown]

A lot of people, including myself, have found a sort of spirituality in the unusual theories of quantum mechanics.

While I was in college, I resonated with books like "The Tao of Physics" by Frijov Capra and "The Dancing Wu Li Masters" by Gary Zukav. Even before that, in high school, I found a certain Godliness in mathematics through books like "1, 2, 3... Infinity" by George Gamow.

Recommended reading if you're feeling the same way.

Agreed. It seems to me that the blending of Science and Theology gets us closer to knowing the God. Not pointing fingers but unbelief controls much of religion because by closely defining Theology, we control God and doing that is the ultimate rebellion against the Creator. I really want to know more about Electrons that seem to exist in more than one place. Then to find that humans likely only see about 5% of what is around us !?! For me, that shatters all doubt I've had about where God and the Angels are. Maybe I do have an Angel at each shoulder instructing me?

 

[George-ananda]

Einstein was not a fan of q.m. as he said "God doesn't play at dice". Well, I guess God actually does. Doesn't bother me any.

Actually even though I consider quantum mechanics to be established, I still don't think God plays dice with the universe. I think there is just even more science doesn't understand that explains quantum mechanics.

I think a lot of people, perhaps Einstein, want a material universe they can kind of wrap their minds around. But it appears at this time that reality is still too big for that.

 

[YmirGF]

I agree. I also found the mysterious and counterintuitive nature of some of the effects awe-inspiring and spiritual. But not because I felt QM explained the supernatural. It was rather the realisation that nature was more intricate and contained more layers - and more satisfying connections - within it than I had ever imagined.

Agree 100%.

I will add, however, that due to the "spiritualization" of Quantum Mechanics by many less than scrupulous actors, I consciously avoid bringing Quantum Mechanics into the field of my thinking when investigating "spiritual" topics. Little annoys me more than when I hear spiritual writers waxing on about Quantum this or that...

 

[Ellen Brown]

Agree 100%.

I will add, however, that due to the "spiritualization" of Quantum Mechanics by many less than scrupulous actors, I consciously avoid bringing Quantum Mechanics into the field of my thinking when investigating "spiritual" topics. Little annoys me more than when I hear spiritual writers waxing on about Quantum this or that...

So, no Unified Field Theory then?

 

[sealchan]

As usual, I have no idea where this thread goes, so please feel free to move it as you wish.


Most of the maths are almost completely inscrutable to me, though I did attain some utility with Algebra. Calculus was a complete mystery to me. Recently I was looking over some information on Quantum Physics, Electron Entanglement and all that sort of thing and feel that I have happened upon an astonishing revelation.

If what I read actually has practical application at some level, then to me it potentially explains so much about the Theological things which we can not see. They aren't visible to eyes that see best in the visible light range.

I can't explain much about Quantum Mechanics because I simply do not have the vocabulary, and I hate to make Atheists and Agnostics feel challenged because there is lots of room for various ways to think about things. In one of the Videos I watched it seemed entirely plausible for objects to exist in more than one place at once, or only one as is convenient. Whether there are 3, 10, or 15 dimensions are not, I can not solve.

One Astronomer said that between what we see, dark energy and dark matter, we likely see less than 5% of what exists. So, right here on earth there could exist 95% more than just us and we'd have no idea. Lots of room for God and the heavenlies.

There is so much room for speculation here and ways to insert God that it's a shame the majority of literalist Christian's arent better educated about science. Truly a gold mine.

David Bohm, a much respected physicist and thinker, postulated an implicate and explicate order to the Universe...you might check out his writings.

 

[YmirGF]

So, no Unified Field Theory then?

We more spiritually minded should leave the nuts and bolts of the possible theory to the trained scientists in the field.

 

[exchemist]

Your view is not surprising. My own approach to it is that there is just so much that we don't know. One day we shall see it as it is.

Now we see through a glass darkly but then face to face.

 

[exchemist]

Agree 100%.

I will add, however, that due to the "spiritualization" of Quantum Mechanics by many less than scrupulous actors, I consciously avoid bringing Quantum Mechanics into the field of my thinking when investigating "spiritual" topics. Little annoys me more than when I hear spiritual writers waxing on about Quantum this or that...

Amen to that!

Quantum woo is a horrible fungus. Far too many people get far too much time on TV talking out of their whatevers (I'm looking at you, Chopra).

 

[Ellen Brown]

There is so much room for speculation here and ways to insert God that it's a shame the majority of literalist Christian's arent better educated about science. Truly a gold mine.

David Bohm, a much respected physicist and thinker, postulated an implicate and explicate order to the Universe...you might check out his writings.

Thank you. I come from that ignorant stock and left out of frustration. Being a generalist in a day when most seem to be told to be specialists, compliance to the rules of others seems unacceptable. I've only JUST discovered Quantum Physics and what I am seeing so far seems very simple in concept. A peaceful partnering of Science and Theology explains so much.

 

[Ellen Brown]

We more spiritually minded should leave the nuts and bolts of the possible theory to the trained scientists in the field.

I've never been obedient to man.

 

[Ellen Brown]

Now we see through a glass darkly but then face to face.

Aye.

 

[MichaelMD]

Einstein was not a fan of q.m. as he said "God doesn't play at dice". Well, I guess God actually does. Doesn't bother me any.

Einstein also called Quantum Entanglement(Q.E.) a "spooky action at a distance." -A more updated analysis is given in the latest post in my Thread "A Theory of Everything Based on Origins." -where I claim that critical analysis of Q.E. is the key to understanding this whole area of theories.

 

[Ellen Brown]

Einstein also called Quantum Entanglement(Q.E.) a "spooky action at a distance." -A more updated analysis is given in the latest post in my Thread "A Theory of Everything Based on Origins." -where I claim that critical analysis of Q.E. is the key to understanding this whole area of theories.

Not being a degreed scientist in any area, I think that reality is spooky, and that humans have sly ways of practicing denial about things that frighten or confuse them. And, the Bible clearly explains some things which many denominations try to explain away. Had I not started reading about Quantum Mechanics, it is likely that I would have given up on religion of any sort. Lots of theologies create God in our image

It is very clear to me that Science and Theology exist together in harmony, but that the dull refuse to see that.

 

[metis]

Actually even though I consider quantum mechanics to be established, I still don't think God plays dice with the universe. I think there is just even more science doesn't understand that explains quantum mechanics.

I think a lot of people, perhaps Einstein, want a material universe they can kind of wrap their minds around. But it appears at this time that reality is still too big for that.

There's no way to "establish" q.m. one way or the other since no pattern has been detected. Undoubtedly, we'll learn more about it as time goes on, but it's premature to think we actually understand it at this time.