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Quantum entanglement between organisms

Discussion in 'Philosophy' started by Ostronomos, Apr 5, 2021.

  1. Ostronomos

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    The mutual exchange of internal information between organisms that are one and the same is a real phenomenon that occurs when an individual has attained a certain state of being.

    A demon from another dimension may appear as a familiar person who behaves in a way that appears to be entangled with one's mind without knowing it. Their tone of voice and mannerisms may appear demonic and they won't even know it, but you will know it. This is because the universe is a hologram and information is the fundamental property of the universe. These demons still have to obey the laws of nature and the all-encompassing entity (God) that has the power to protect one from them. I am attempting to demonstrate this scientifically through my knowledge of Quantum mechanics. However I am not in a certain state of mind at the moment so this may fall short of its intended goal.
     
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    If it's real and true, it won't require a specific state of mind.
     
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    Just to be clear, what test will tell me whether I've found a "demon from another dimension" or not? What's the determiner, the give-away?
     
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    Let us entertain that thought for a moment. Do you think that the "groundstate" of ordinary experience meets all the right conditions for interaction with a demon from another dimension? Including the appearance of a random world?
     
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    You can determine whether or not you are in a supernatural world through the experience of your spiritual state of being and its obvious Quantum nature that is so obvious to one in that state that it is rendered a potential threat of aggression from demonic forces that make themselves known through their tone and mannerisms while entangled with your mind.
     
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    Whatever it is, if it requires a specific state of mind, it's subjective. Subjective means it's unreal and only true for that specific individual at that specific time.

    If it's real and true, it doesn't require a specific state of mind. A simple example of this is "beer goggles". :)
     
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    Yep.
     
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    In other words, nothing real is involved, it all takes place in the imagination?
     
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    “The only reality is mind and observations”
    Henry, R. C. (2005). The mental universe. Nature, 436(7047), 29-29.

    “The doctrine that the world is made up of objects whose existence is independent of human consciousness turns out to be in conflict with quantum mechanics and with facts established by experiment”
    d'Espagnat, B. (1979). The quantum theory and reality. Scientific American, 241(5), 158-181.

    Facts are relative
     
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    Quantum entanglement doesn't allow information transmission.

    Holography, AdS/CFT correspondence, guage dualities, etc., all involve spaces equipped with certain topological, geometrical, and group-theoretical structures that are absent from quantum mechanics proper. Simply put, even generalizations of the infinite-dimensional Hilbert spaces of standard quantum mechanics (including but not limited to the many-body representations in Fock spaces) are inadequate to capture how information may be encoded holographically in the universe. In fact, quantum mechanics isn't capable of dealing with spacetimes without drastic changes in its basic structure, equation, and interpretation. For example, in standard quantum mechanics time is parameterized (either by being absorbed into the observables in the Heisenberg representation or in terms of the dynamical wavefunction in the Schrödinger picture), while spatial information is encoded in the operators (again, either e.g., in the actual observables of relevant algebras in the case of the Heisenberg picture, or as operators acting on the wavefunction in the case of the Schrödinger picture). This asymmetry is fine most of the time, but is utterly inadequate for any attempt at a relativistic (let alone cosmological) description. As holographic dualities and other fancies are (or are supposed to be) kinds of spacetimes, here too such an asymmetry cannot be maintained.
     
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  11. Ostronomos

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    No. The excited state of the conscious mind is what is involved.
     
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    Thank you for correcting me. Do you have a source that I can read up on?

    What makes you say that? Is this your theory? Please elaborate.
     
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    The conscious mind, and its states, are the product of the physical brain, indeed.

    But the conscious mind can imagine, or hold the concept of, a range of things that aren't real ie don't exist in the world external to the self, are purely imaginary or purely conceptual.

    And that seems to be what you're talking about, no?
     
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    Quantum entanglement between Orgasms may dissuade you.
     
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    I'd start with any basic text on quantum field theory (e.g., Peskin & Schroeder or even Zee's book on QFT). Most get into the issues one finds immediately upon trying to formulate a relativistic quantum mechanics. Even in the case of 4D Minkowski space (where the metric is constant), one cannot simply make QM compatible with special relativity (let alone any holographic spacetime) by simply taking the equations of QM and placing them in a 4D spacetime, even with modifications. In fact, Schrödinger actually first wrote down a relativistic version of the equation that now bears his name, but couldn't make any sense out of it. It was discovered independently later and is known as the Klein-Gordon equation. But it doesn't work (not alone, anyway; in typical manipulations of the Dirac equation or even the QFT Lagrangians one finds the KG equation as a kind of limiting case often enough). One has to arbitrarily reject solutions that are allowed by the mathematics but have no physical meaning. Nor does it accurately capture the relativistic dynamics of quantum systems where these become relevant (such as in cosmology and particle physics).
    Quantum mechanics is built upon the Hamiltonian formulation of mechanics. This is a very powerful framework, but it presents a problem because the equations of QM are a function of time but evolve dynamically in space. Theoretically, one could promote time to an operator acting on the system in the same way that position or spatially dependent operators do in QM, but this doesn't work out well and instead one demotes spatial observables and promotes the operators themselves to the status of something like entities parameterized by spacetime coordinates acting ultimately on the vacuum state via raising and lowering operators. This new entity is a quantum field and the raising and lowering correspond (more or less) to excitations of the vacuum as well as particle creation and annihilation (it is vastly more complicated than this simple summary).
    In QM, which is not Lorentz invariant (let alone Poincaré invariant), states are typically rays in Hilbert space (i.e., wavefunctions). Observables are represented by operators that act on these states. In order to formulate quantum theory in a covariant manner so that it is compatible with even a flat spacetime (let alone a holographic one), one has to abandon this formulation in favor of quantum fields or (ultimately) their would-be generalizations. To understand the additional changes necessary to get to holographic cosmology and so forth, you would need to go well beyond quantum field theory, but you would still need it as QM would still fail you here.



    It's not my theory. It's basic stuff that you'd get in any introductory course in relativistic quantum theory or QFT. True, your typical introductory graduate level course wouldn't contain the relevant material on AdS/CFT, holography, etc., but the literature and texts one these subjects assume knowledge of QFT at more advanced levels than this anyway.
     
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    LOLOLOL! MUST YOU CLOWN AROUND IN MY THREAD LIKE IT WAS SOME SORT OF CIRCUS SHOW???
     
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    Indeed not. You are talking about the ordinary states of consciousness that the vast majority go through a lifetime experiencing. This does not apply to me.
     
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    All states of consciousness, ordinary or extraordinary, are products of the brain. And what the brain thinks is based on two orientations ─ its own functioning ( processes, instincts,learning, analyses, concepts, imaginings and incidentals) on the one hand and its perceptions via its sensory input of the world external to the self (ie reality), with consequent processing of those perceptions (ignore, respond, store in memory).

    So what you're talking about is either wholly within the individual brain, or at least in part is found in reality. Since you appear not to be asserting the latter, that only leaves the former. Or can you point to real aspects ─ examinable evidence, you could say ─ of what you're proposing?
     
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    Even so, it still has the power to affect the external world.

    I can certainly point to real aspects. But you seem to misunderstand the finer details. There is objective evidence of what I am describing. The very word "demon" implies that it is an objective reality. The form that a demon may take however may either be real or imaginary. Again, it strictly depends on the type or form of manifestation. The supernatural is certainly real and objective. And can be scientifically explained.

    Quantum entanglement with demonic forces is not the only phenomenon that occurs in the excited state. The unseen cable that exists between a television network and the viewer may be intercepted by a conscious entity (demonic or divine) that distributes itself over reality at large.
     
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    Only by what we might call orthodox means, as a result of physical transactions with that external world. There is not a single authenticated case of the "paranormal", for instance.
    The only way in which the 'spiritual', 'supernatural', 'immaterial' &c is known to exist is as concepts in or things imagined by a working brain. None has ever been shown to have objective existence.
    Were that so, you could show me satisfactory videos, you could bring examples into the laboratory for examination and classification. Why has this not been done?
    Start with the videos.
    There are simply zero authenticated cases of what you claim. And before there could be, there would have to be a satisfactory definition of eg 'demon' such that if we found a real candidate were could determine whether it was a demon or not. There's no such definition, any more than there are lab examples or even satisfactory videos.
     
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