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Featured Putting God's Design In Perspective

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Skwim, Feb 2, 2019.

  1. Skwim

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    Up until relatively recently people considered our solar system and the stars above (whatever they were) to be thee center of god's creation. Eventually some of the dots in the sky were recognized to be planets that revolved around our earth, as did the Sun, all of which made up our solar system. This was corrected when it was confirmed that the Earth and these other planets went around the Sun. Some time later it was discovered that the stars were just like our sun: our Sun was a star. With better equipment, astronomers then found that some of the other "stars" were actually great "clouds" of light, which they called nebulae. Further investigation revealed that these nebulae were actually tremendous accumulations of stars, which they termed galaxies. (The term "nebula" has since been changed to denote great clouds of interstellar dust and other ionized gasses.) And there are trillions of these galaxies. So our "universe" went from being a solar system, to include the vast reaches of space, But the structure of our universe doesn't end there. The gravity between galaxies has drawn them into enormous clumps, which in turn form galaxy superclusters---our Milky Way galaxy is part of the Laniakea supercluster. Moreover, the distances between all these elements of the universe are enormous, which are denoted in light years; the distance light travels in one year. The closest spiral galaxy to us is the Andromeda Galaxy (M31), which is two million light years away.

    To give you an idea of how immense the universe is,

    "Right now, the observable universe is thought to consist of roughly:

    10 million superclusters
    25 billion galaxy groups
    350 billion large galaxies
    7 trillion dwarf galaxies
    30 billion trillion (3×10^22) stars, with almost 30 stars going supernova every second"
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    Within the Milky Way galaxy our star is 1 among 100-400 billion other stars.

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    So, the question is, "Why"? Why did god bother with it all? While the existence of our plant and the life on it depend on the configuration of our solar system, they don't depend on the existence of neighboring stars, the Milky Way, other galaxies, galaxy superclusters or any other far reaching structures of the universe.

    Of course, I don't expect any answer to be more than speculation, but I am looking to see how one squares the enormity of the universe, both in size and content, with the contention that it was all designed by god.

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  2. Ellen Brown

    Ellen Brown Sorry, just trying to sort the NONSENSE
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    I think the Nephilim play heavily into very early history, but so far everytime I see them mentioned then the author goes all weird like. We are so caught up with the dogma of religion that we lose the plot. It wouldn't bother me if Jesus returns on a white horse, or arrives in a Moon sized spaceship. Now that I mention the Moon ...
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    So far, the published religions haven't gone the distance.
     
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  3. Windwalker

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    How is it that in your mind if God Creates, it's because of us? Every single molecule in the universe is an expression of the Divine Reality, and we are but one shining example of this. It's an egocentric view of the Divine that imagines it's all about us.
     
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  4. nPeace

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    According to some scientists (I heard it said in a talk, which I can't find right now, but will keep looking)
    Galaxies are necessary. We would not be here if they didn't exist.

    We would not be here if it were not for our galaxy, says Sandra Faber, University Professor of Astronomy at the University of California, Santa Cruz. That's because the strong gravitational pull of galaxies like the Milky Way sucks in the heavy elements that go into making up planets and people and all other non-gaseous matter in the universe.

    Scientists can make suggestions, but they don't know why the galaxies exist, or what would happen if they didn't, or the purpose they serve.

    Galaxies
    Most astronomers suggest that galaxies formed shortly after a cosmic "big bang" that began the universe some 10 billion to 20 billion years ago.
    Scientists are divided on just how galaxies first formed.

    They evidently serve a purpose.
    The Bible describes one purpose they serve, but there are likely other purposed, we do not currently know.
     
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  5. Ray Warren

    Ray Warren There is beauty in the silence.

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    Maybe it's because He's an artist and just wanted to create.
     
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  6. Jollybear

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    I think your post assumes 2 things.

    1, that the entire universe suppose to be designed for us. Its like a fish saying 'because i cant live on land, that means land is not designed and therefore since land is not designed, neither is the ocean.

    2, you also assume that the bigger regions of the universe have no effect on the smaller regions. What if all the galaxies are interconnected and what if theres a bigger sphere above it?
     
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  7. sun rise

    sun rise "Let there be peace and love among all"
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    I like that idea.

    And I'm reminded of the quote from the movie Amadeus:

    EMPEROR: My dear, young man, don't take it too hard. Your work is ingenious. It's quality work. And there are simply too many notes, that's all. Cut a few and it will be perfect.
     
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  8. sun rise

    sun rise "Let there be peace and love among all"
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    I'm also reminded of the school of art called pointillism. Maybe many don't see the overall beauty that all the "points" we call stars and galaxies make up.

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  9. shunyadragon

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    The problem is that the context of the God, Creation, Our universe, as the writers of the Bible thought were to be literal is out of context of the contemporary world. Yes, over the millennia apologists have interpreted the Bible in an attempt to make it fit, but nonetheless these interpretations do not fit as the Church Fathers intended and believed.
     
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  10. Jollybear

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    How does it not fit?
     
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  11. shunyadragon

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    Everything does not fit including the time line and the Aritotilian description of the universe, and of course the problem of the flood.
     
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  12. nPeace

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    ...and how do you know how the writers intended it to be understood? I'm not interested in the church fathers, unless you mean the writers.
     
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    Lets hit at the aritotilian description of the universe for now. Why dont that fit?
     
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    I was wondering how the flood got in there.
     
  15. Jollybear

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    Ya, time lines, flood and universe, boy, thats gonna be allot in one thread. :p
     
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  16. nPeace

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    Yeah. How many threads are there on the flood? Who needs another.
    The universe is large enough. ;)
     
  17. Jollybear

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    Thats right.....plus, the universe is aligned with this thread too.
     
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    Perspective. Love it! :rolleyes:
     
  20. Ellen Brown

    Ellen Brown Sorry, just trying to sort the NONSENSE
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    I'm pretty sure we were an unexpected consequence.
     
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