Putin won't run for president

[Wotans Krieger]

More because I'm intellectually honest.

Another wiki article for you to learn about a strange new concept Intellectual honesty - Wikipedia

LoL!

 

[Koldo]

Ever heard of butting into another person's conversationism?

No such thing in an open forum.
So, have you ever heard of whataboutism ?

 

[Wotans Krieger]

See how I don't try to twist your words? How I actually respond to what you actually say instead of constantly dodging and avoiding? If you are ever interested in an actual conversation, you should try that.

You are projecting the crimes of the 'west' onto Russia so it is relevant.

 

[Stanyon]

The Russians didn't steal Crimea, they wanted to be part of Russia and overwhelmingly voted for it. It was the west that wanted to deny them that freedom and independence and used gangster tactics to attempt to enforce their will upon them. It was then the job of the western media to spin the situation into another reason to discredit Russia and it seems that propaganda worked on more than a few.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

You are projecting the crimes of the 'west' onto Russia so it is relevant.

No, I'm referring to Russia's actual crimes;

Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 - Wikipedia
Poisoning of Alexander Litvinenko - Wikipedia
Russian military intervention in Ukraine (2014–present) - Wikipedia

and while I'm on a roll...

Russian apartment bombings - Wikipedia
Poisoning of Sergei and Yulia Skripal - Wikipedia
Second Chechen War crimes and terrorism - Wikipedia
Human rights in Russia - Wikipedia

I await your forthcoming dodge and/or handwave

 

[Wotans Krieger]

No, I'm referring to Russia's actual crimes;

Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 - Wikipedia
Poisoning of Alexander Litvinenko - Wikipedia
Russian military intervention in Ukraine (2014–present) - Wikipedia

and while I'm on a roll...

Russian apartment bombings - Wikipedia
Poisoning of Sergei and Yulia Skripal - Wikipedia
Second Chechen War crimes and terrorism - Wikipedia
Human rights in Russia - Wikipedia

Ah 'western' wikipedia, that well known source of intellectual and factual honesty!!! Is that it! Is THAT your evidence? Why won't you discuss the actual and very real crimes of the USA? Why are you covering up for them? Do they pay you? Are you in their employ?

 

[Wotans Krieger]

The Russians didn't steal Crimea, they wanted to be part of Russia and overwhelmingly voted for it. It was the west that wanted to deny them that freedom and independence and used gangster tactics to attempt to enforce their will upon them. It was then the job of the western media to spin the situation into another reason to discredit Russia and it seems that propaganda worked on more than a few.

Exactly! Likewise the 'west' moan about the advancement of Russian territory but attempt to encircle Russia with missiles. They have no problem with advancing NATO's borders in direct contravention of past agreements with Russia.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Ah 'western' wikipedia, that well known source of intellectual and factual honesty!!! Is that it! Is THAT your evidence? Why won't you discuss the actual and very real crimes of the USA? Why are you covering up for them? Do they pay you? Are you in their employ?

I have continually used wikipedia because it is the source YOU first cited.

New Zealand - Wikipedia

If you want to discuss American crimes, start a thread about them, that's not relevant here. So, are you going to respond to issues raised, or is wellpoisoning and attempted ad homs all you got?

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Exactly! Likewise the 'west' moan about the advancement of Russian territory but attempt to encircle Russia with missiles. They have no problem with advancing NATO's borders in direct contravention of past agreements with Russia.

More Tu quoque irrelevance. Try again.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

What, the Web Brigade basic training doesn't cover what to do when you encounter someone with a basic grasp of rhetoric and logic?

 

[Stanyon]

No, I'm referring to Russia's actual crimes;

Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 - Wikipedia
Poisoning of Alexander Litvinenko - Wikipedia
Russian military intervention in Ukraine (2014–present) - Wikipedia

and while I'm on a roll...

Russian apartment bombings - Wikipedia
Poisoning of Sergei and Yulia Skripal - Wikipedia
Second Chechen War crimes and terrorism - Wikipedia
Human rights in Russia - Wikipedia

I await your forthcoming dodge and/or handwave

Wikipedia is well known for lies and disinformation.

 

[Koldo]

The Russians didn't steal Crimea, they wanted to be part of Russia and overwhelmingly voted for it. It was the west that wanted to deny them that freedom and independence and used gangster tactics to attempt to enforce their will upon them. It was then the job of the western media to spin the situation into another reason to discredit Russia and it seems that propaganda worked on you.

They overwhelmingly voted for it... ?
That shows a complete disregard for the context. There were Russian troops occupying Crimea. It is no wonder the referendum was deemed illegal.

 

[Koldo]

Wikipedia is well known for lies and disinformation.

Source ?

 

[Stanyon]

They overwhelmingly voted for it... ?
That shows a complete disregard for the context. There were Russian troops occupying Crimea. It is no wonder the referendum was deemed illegal.

Deemed illegal by whom?
The western backed pro-west rebels that were actively undermining the democratic process? It amazes me, the western narrative is that Russia is undermining democracy by using trolls and ads on facebook, the same western powers that actively back rebel forces in the Crimea, Syria, and elsewhere to undermine, overthrow, and disrupt.

 

[Koldo]

Deemed illegal by whom?
The western backed pro-west rebels that were actively undermining the democratic process? It amazes me, the western narrative is that Russia is undermining democracy by using trolls and ads on facebook, the same western powers that actively back rebel forces in the Crimea, Syria, and elsewhere to undermine, overthrow, and disrupt.

By the UN. Only 11 countries acknowledged it back in 2014. And that is even counting Russia itself, North Korea, Venezuela, Cuba and Syria, places also known as hell holes.

Are you even aware of what transpired in Crimea ?

"Following the Ukrainian revolution, on February 27 an emergency session was held in the Crimean legislature while it was occupied by members of Crimea’s self-defense forces.[2] After sealing the doors and confiscating all mobile phones, the MPs who had been invited by Aksyonov to enter the building, passed the motion in the presence of the gunmen armed with Kalashnikov's and rocket launchers.[2][16][28][29] The result was that 55 of 64 votes elected Aksyonov Prime Minister.[30] Various media accounts have disputed whether he was able to gather a quorum of 50 of his peers before the session convened that day, and some Crimean legislators who were registered as present have said they did not come near the building.[2] Others denied being in the city, and that duplicate voting cards stolen from the Parliament's safe were used in their name.[31] Opposition deputies have avoided speaking out publicly out of fear of reprisal, due to threats received.[31] Crimean Prime Minister Anatolii Mohyliov was barred from attending the session.[31]" - Source

There is nothing democratic about voting when you have a gun pointed to your head.

 

[Stanyon]

By the UN. Only 11 countries acknowledged it back in 2014. And that is even counting Russia itself, North Korea, Venezuela, Cuba and Syria, places also known as hell holes.

Are you even aware of what transpired in Crimea ?

"Following the Ukrainian revolution, on February 27 an emergency session was held in the Crimean legislature while it was occupied by members of Crimea’s self-defense forces.[2] After sealing the doors and confiscating all mobile phones, the MPs who had been invited by Aksyonov to enter the building, passed the motion in the presence of the gunmen armed with Kalashnikov's and rocket launchers.[2][16][28][29] The result was that 55 of 64 votes elected Aksyonov Prime Minister.[30] Various media accounts have disputed whether he was able to gather a quorum of 50 of his peers before the session convened that day, and some Crimean legislators who were registered as present have said they did not come near the building.[2] Others denied being in the city, and that duplicate voting cards stolen from the Parliament's safe were used in their name.[31] Opposition deputies have avoided speaking out publicly out of fear of reprisal, due to threats received.[31] Crimean Prime Minister Anatolii Mohyliov was barred from attending the session.[31]" - Source

There is nothing democratic about voting when you have a gun pointed to your head.

And the source is Wikipedia......

 

[Koldo]

And the source is Wikipedia......

Do you have a better source for what happened that day ?
Please do provide it if you do.

 

[exchemist]

Putin ran not because he wanted to but because he felt compelled to do so for the love and duty he feels for his country and the many varied peoples of that land. If leaders of other nations felt compelled to serve their peoples instead of ego driven short term personal goals then those countries would be much better off. Politicians around the world need to pay heed, take note, and square themselves away.

And so, out of his love and duty, Putin's (or his people) arranged for this journalist to be shot dead today: Russian journalist and Kremlin critic Arkady Babchenko shot dead in Kiev

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Wikipedia is well known for lies and disinformation.

Is that why it's been rated to be on par with Britannica in terms of accuracy?

 

[Stevicus]

Which is why I don't go out of my way posting on Russian language websites telling them how wrong they are.

Even if you did, I don't see how it would change anything.