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Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Amanaki, Nov 28, 2018.

  1. URAVIP2ME

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    I would believe the ^ above ^ also if it wasn't for the Resurrection Hope.
    There ' is going to be...' (future tense) a resurrection..... as found at Acts of the Apostles 24:15.
    Before we die, Satan challenges all of us at Job 2:4-5 touch our ' flesh...' (lose physical health) and we would Not serve God.
    Both Job and Jesus, under very adverse conditions, proved Satan a liar and so can we,
     
  2. Unveiled Artist

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    Shrugs. I feel its a waste of time for me to hope for eternal life. In my heart, I believe we do not exist after death. The more I know that, the more I'm comfortable with other people's death. I hurt more from hope and faith than acceptance.

    It is what it is.
     
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  3. URAVIP2ME

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    I find the 'world beyond this one' is meaning a righteous world when only righteousness dwells on Earth.
    So, Not an invisible spirit realm existence, but for most people a healthy physical realm of existence on Earth.
    The coming 'new world of righteousness' as described in Isaiah 35th chapter when all will be in good health.
     
  4. URAVIP2ME

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    I can agree about an 'afterlife ' (meaning more alive after death than before death ).
    Whereas ' Resurrection ' means for most people from a biblical standpoint a later coming back to physical healthy life.
    Thus, we can have 'acceptance' and be ' comforted ' with other people's death because of the Resurrection Hope.
    I say this because Jesus taught that the dead are in a sleep-like state as per John 11:11-14.
    Jesus, was well educated in the old Hebrew Scriptures which also teach unconscious sleep in death.
    Such as found at Psalms 115:17; Psalms 146:4.
    King Solomon, known for having godly wisdom, wrote at Ecclesiastes 9:5 that the dead know nothing.
    So, the dead know nothing but sleep until Resurrection Day, meaning Jesus' coming millennium-long day of governing over Earth in righteousness for a thousand years when 'enemy death' will be No more on Earth.
    - People being re-united with resurrected loved ones - 1 Corinthians 15:26; Isaiah 25:8.
     
  5. URAVIP2ME

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    I find Jesus' words found at John 17:3 could agree with the ^ above ^.
     
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  6. Unveiled Artist

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    That's all to complicated.

    You are born mortal. You age. You die a mortal. Your soul/personality goes bye. Your spirit/energy disperse and recycled. Your body turns to ash.

    Eternal life. Hope. Faith. Afterlife. Etc help people with acceptance in this life now. To me they are distractions. My aunt would rather me accept her death than wish she was in heaven.
     
  7. david-david

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    If I'm a Gentile, what do the 'laws' which I live under say about 'mistresses'? Because when it comes to other things, all I know is:

    Acts 15:27-29 "We have sent therefore Judas and Silas, who shall also tell youthe same things by mouth. 28For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things; 29That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well."


    So what is 'fornication'? What does the Law which I live under say is 'fornication'? Or do they have such a thing?

    What are the 'sexual laws' in the Jurisdiction I'm under?

    So to keep those 'laws' would provide for the physical requirements. So to move to the Spiritual 'purposes', what is 'fornication' from the Spiritual purpose/foundation Truth?


    What was the Apostle Paul saying, referring to, when he said, 'fornication'?
    According to the Apostle Paul, what was 'fornication'?


    Okay.. so here goes again.. Was Acts written by the Apostle Paul? Question:

    Was he in the upper room during the day of Pentecost? There were the original 12 not counting Judas Iscariot. .

    Acts:

    1The former treatise have I made, O Theophilus, of all that Jesus began both to do and teach, 2Until the day in which he was taken up, after that he through the Holy Ghost had given commandments unto the apostles whom he had chosen: 3To whom also he shewed himself alive after his passion by many infallible proofs, being seen of them forty days, and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God:

    Wait for the Holy Spirit

    4And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me. 5For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence."


    So who is writing this? Someone who was in (J)erusalem in the upper room awaiting the promise of The Father?



    21Wherefore of these men which have companied with us all the time that the Lord Jesus went in and out among us, 22Beginning from the baptism of John, unto that same day that he was taken up from us, must one be ordained to be a witness with us of his resurrection. 23And they appointed two, Joseph called Barsabas, who was surnamed Justus, and Matthias. 24And they prayed, and said, Thou, Lord, which knowest the hearts of all men, shew whether of these two thou hast chosen,25That he may take part of this ministry and apostleship, from which Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place. 26And they gave forth their lots; and the lot fell upon Matthias; and he was numbered with the eleven apostles.



    1The former treatise have I made, O Theophilus, of all that Jesus began both to do and teach, 2Until the day in which he was taken up, after that he through the Holy Ghost had given commandments unto the apostles whom he had chosen:



    Acts 15:27-29 "We have sent therefore Judas and Silas, who shall also tell youthe same things by mouth. 28For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things; 29That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well."



    For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us

    through the Holy Ghost had given commandments unto the apostles whom he had chosen:

    For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us



    So commonly overlooked possible errors:

    1. (J)esus Christ had long hair.
    2. Acts was written by the Apostle Paul.
    3. The 'Law' always refers to the 'torah'/the Law of Y'srael.
    4. Homosexuality is 'Sodom' in The Holy Bible
    5. Sodom was a 'male' dominated city
    6. The Apostle Paul was a 'Hebrew' born in Y'srael. Saul of Tarsus of Cilicia (Modern day Turkey)
    7. The term 'Christian' was first used in Antioch, Turkey. Or could it have been Antioch, Syria?


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    Philippians 3:5 "Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee;"


    Matthew 27:29 "And when they had platted a crown of thorns, they put it upon his head, and a reed in his right hand: and they bowed the knee before him, and mocked him, saying, Hail, King of the Jews!"


    Mark 7:3 "For the Pharisees, and all the Jews, except they wash their hands oft, eat not, holding the tradition of the elders."


    Mark 15:26 "And the superscription of his accusation was written over, THE KING OF THE JEWS."


    John 4:9 "Then saith the woman of Samaria unto him, How is it that thou, being a Jew, askest drink of me, which am a woman of Samaria? for the Jews have no dealings with the Samaritans."


    Acts 2:5 "And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven."


    Acts 9:22 "But Saul increased the more in strength, and confounded the Jews which dwelt at Damascus, proving that this is very Christ."

    Acts 9:23 "And after that many days were fulfilled, the Jews took counsel to kill him:"


    Philippians 3:5 "Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee;"


    Hebrew,, Jew.. Same, right?


    1445. Hebraios
    Strong's Exhaustive Concordance
    Hebrew.
    From Eber; a Hebr?An (i.e. Hebrew) or Jew -- Hebrew.


    1443. Eber
    Strong's Exhaustive Concordance
    Eber.
    Of Hebrew origin (Eber); Eber, a patriarch -- Eber.

    see HEBREW Eber


    of the tribe of Benjamin


    Luke 3:33-34 "which was the son of Juda, 34Which was the son of Jacob, which was the son of Isaac, which was the son of Abraham"


    Luke 3:35 "which was the son of Heber, which was the son of Sala, 36Which was the son of Cainan, which was the son of Arphaxad, which was the son of Sem"


    Genesis 10:24 "And Arphaxad begat Salah; and Salah begat Eber."



    Tribe of Juda? Or Tribe of Benjamin?


    Genesis 35:23 "The sons of Leah; Reuben, Jacob's firstborn, and Simeon, and Levi, and Judah, and Issachar, and Zebulun:"

    Genesis 35:24 "The sons of Rachel; Joseph, and Benjamin:"

    Genesis 35:25 "And the sons of Bilhah, Rachel's handmaid; Dan, and Naphtali:"

    Genesis 35:26 "And the sons of Zilpah, Leah's handmaid; Gad, and Asher:"
     
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  8. Jessie Jones

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    I believe the purpose of life is to experience a relationship with the God who created everything in the universe and I think that this God is the God that the Bible talks about. This God claims that he made us in his image, that he has had a relationship with humans from the beginning, but that relationship became broken when humans decided to turn away from him and distrust what he told them, disobeying him.

    Being partially separated from God meant that we were separated from the source of our life, BUT the God in the Bible didn't give up on humans and instead put into motion the biggest rescue mission this world has ever seen or will ever see, which ended with him dying on a cross (one of the most brutal deaths) for us, to pay the consequence of us separating ourselves from the source of life (him) so that we could be reconnected to him, have a lasting relationship with him, and have true life again. That God says that all we have to do is turn to him and trust him - trust that it truly was him (through his son Jesus) who died for us, trust him that his sacrifice is good enough to reconnect us back to him and give us true life, and trust him by following and obeying what he says (which if he is truly the God who loves and saves us and is the source of life, obeying him would theoretically then be a good thing for us). Thus I believe the purpose of this life is finding our way to God through Jesus and then experiencing a restored relationship with him.

    I could be wrong, and if I am, I am to be pitied because I am banking my whole life on this truth. But if I'm right, I've found everything. I hope I'm right.

    I've been reading some of the forums on here and it sounds like there are people from all over the spectrum. Some searching for answers, some who are more set on different areas of thought or religion. If my post intrigues anyone, I'd encourage you to investigate what I claimed. What does the God of the Bible really claim and what do you think of him? Is he telling the truth or is it all made up? You have an opportunity to decide. But I encourage you to decide based on looking at what he actually claims in the Bible. What can be the harm in it? Worse case scenario, you look into the claim of a crazy girl (me) from the internet and see that she was full of crap. Best case, you start a journey to finding truth, which could in fact give you true life and help you find your way to a God who created you and loves you and wants to be in a relationship with you. I think it could be worth the risk.

    If you do happen to check out a bible or pick up a dusty copy at a used book store, the book of John is a helpful place to start. Mark and Luke could be good next steps if you read that and if you still want to keep reading, the book of Romans is what I'd suggest next.

    If you read my post, thanks for your time.

    Best wishes,

    J Jones
     
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  9. InChrist

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    I believe the Creator God is Love and relational and human beings were created for the purpose of living in loving relationship with with Him , now and for eternity. Nothing else will ever give real lasting meaning and satisfaction.
     
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    If He exists (a very large "if"), you had better hope He made His own purpose. If not, then it was given to Him... and you would have to ask who or what did the giving. If He was formed with it intrinsically... then who or what did the forming? He is not "most high" who answers to some authority other than His own.

    I almost feel as if you wrote this reply as a passive-aggressive way to make me feel like I were being "prideful" for stating that I make my own purpose, because you seem to feel that God should be the only one to be able to make such a choice... and that the rest of us must simply walk in the paths he created for us. Or, at least, that we will have some path laid out for us once we "realize God's garden purpose for upright humans." That honestly sounds boring to me. To have someone else simply inform me what my purpose is and what I must do to satisfy them. Screw them. They don't get to decide. I do. And just in case you were thinking of doing so... calling me "prideful" doesn't change that very fundamental fact one bit.
     
  11. URAVIP2ME

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    Since the 'dead know nothing' according to Ecclesiastes 9:5 then you are right. We do Not exist after death.
    So, you can be comfortable and accepting with other people's death because there is No pain in knowing nothing.
    One does Not have to hope for eternal life in ones heart or mind. That is a choice of course.

    What I find 'we the living' at this time can look forward to is the coming time when Jesus, as Prince of Peace, will usher in global Peace on Earth among persons of goodwill.
     
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    I want to apologize to you because I did Not intend nor think of calling you as prideful.
    Perhaps you might agree it would Not be God's purpose to bring harm to others. That would be out of God's path.
    Since God's purpose is a 'healthy' future for upright mankind (humble meek people to inherit the Earth those who would Not bring harm to others) then what healthy person wants to pick the day they want to die.
     
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    Shrugs. There is no looking forward to (hope) for the coming of jesus. One just dies. That's it.
     
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    I find there is No reason Not to accept her death.
    Of course we are born mortal. Adam was mortal and mortal Adam is our original father.

    Whether your Aunt would have a resurrection to Heaven, or a happy-and-healthy physical resurrection back to live life on Earth is in God's safe hands.
    So, to me it is easy to accept that there will be a resurrection - Acts of the Apostles 24:15.
    To me the distraction could be when a person doubts, is Not sure, about a future life for their loved ones.
     
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    Eat drink and be merry.
     
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    Right, one just dies whether one looks forward for the coming of Jesus or not.
    At this point, one just dies, (knows nothing according to Ecclesiastes 9:5).
    We don't have to look forward or hope, but it's just what we can learn from or about the Bible.
     
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    Yes. One just dies.

    Everything we believe (hope for/look forward to/not a bad phrase) helps us in this life. Nothing wrong with that.
     
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    According to my religion, the purpose of life is to know and love God. We know God by reading what God revealed about Himself through Messengers. We love God by serving God through service to humanity.

    By fulfilling our purpose in this life we prepare ourselves for the afterlife in the spiritual world.
     
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    I agree with that. All suffering is the result of attachment to things of this world. It is easy for me to be detached from material things but I still have my issues with being attached to money. That does not make sense because I do not want the money to buy anything. I just worry about it, so I guess I am attached to it. Go figure. :rolleyes:
    I do not believe in reincarnation but I do believe in living in the moment. A good Buddhist friend I had taught me that. :)
     
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    As a believer I do not think that God defines our purpose in life, except very generally. We all still have to make our own way in life and define our own purpose. I believe that God wants us to make our own choices. The purpose for an atheist or a believer only differs in that God is part of our purpose whereas for an atheist God is not part of their purpose since they do not believe that God exists.
     
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