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Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Spiderman, Jan 23, 2018.

  1. Spiderman

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    I don't see why so many Christians hate the Dogma of purgatory.

    Scripture says nothing unclean shall enter heaven.

    A lot of believers are wounded and sinfully inclined. They have to be purified and healed of those wounds and imperfections.

    Purgatory is a state of purification, remolding, and perfecting for heaven. What's the big deal?
     
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    In mainstream Purgatory makes no sense: you washed by blood of Jesus and saved or go to Hell, no other choice.
     
  3. KenS

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    I think it is because it runs cross-grain with the work of Jesus on The Cross
     
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    When person is a disciple of Jesus, isn’t it reasonable that he follows the teachings of Jesus, and not teachings of other religious leaders?
     
  5. Spiderman

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    Not everything Jesus taught is documented
     
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  6. Spiderman

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    How is that?
     
  7. KenS

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    I look at it this way...

    If I owed a mortgage on my house and someone came and paid for it, I don't have to turn around and pay for it again.

    If Jesus took ALL sins to The Cross and paid for it, there is no need for a purgatory to pay for it again.

    Scripture says that Jesus paid for it all and that God remembers the sins no more... how can you turn around and pay for it again?
     
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    So I can commit murder because the sin is already paid for?
     
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    The issue isn't "If I commit murder" since even Paul (Saul) committed murder and was forgiven and because everyone has a past.

    As far as God is concerned, the person who hates is just as bad as the one who murdered.

    Besides, if Jesus becomes someone's Lord, he won't murder anymore.
     
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    So it is not the case that all sins are already forgiven. it is necessary to be individually forgiven, presumably after repenting and asking for forgiveness.

    If Jesus becomes someone's Lord, is it now impossible for that person to sin? Or is it possible to backslide?
     
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    We overcome sin, death, and the power of the devil through Faith realizing God is in control of all that was, is, and ever shall be. That is to say the "thing" we called sin no longer separates us from God, whether we continue to do that "thing" we called sin or not.
     
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    Is it still necessary to repent that 'thing' and ask for forgiveness?
     
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    JoshuaTree Flowers are red?

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    If we don't think that "thing" seperates us from God then there's no need for reconciliation.
     
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    Which brings us back to the earlier question. If I do not think that sin (the 'thing') separates me from God, then I can commit sin with impunity?
     
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    Suppose I divorce, remarry, and am not widowed. Some churches teach this situation to be a mortal sin, that I can't be saved living in such a constant unrepentant state of adultery. If I don't think this "thing" seperates me from God then it's not a sin despite how others perceive my situation.
     
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    Purgatory is not in the Bible. Your fate is decided at the time of death.
     
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    Yes...but nothing unclean can enter heaven. Are you clean?
     
  18. KenS

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    Yes, by the blood of Jesus...

    1 John 1:7
    But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

    Jude 1:24 Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,

    Isaiah 1:18Come now, and let us reason together, saith the Lord: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.

    Hebrews 9:26
    For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.

    2 Corinthians 5:21 [Full Chapter]
    For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

    Colossians 2:14
    Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

    and many more of such references, therefor there is no condemnation for those who believe.
     
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    Is there sin in heaven? If not, you will have to be perfected before entering
     
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    So you believe that 'once saved, always saved' and it doesn't matter if you sin or not? :shrug:

    What does Peter mean here then....?

    "Certainly if after escaping from the defilements of the world by an accurate knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they get involved again with these very things and are overcome, their final state has become worse for them than the first. 21 It would have been better for them not to have accurately known the path of righteousness than after knowing it to turn away from the holy commandment they had received. 22 What the true proverb says has happened to them: “The dog has returned to its own vomit, and the sow that was bathed to rolling in the mire.” (2 Peter 2:20-22)

    We still have free will and there is no sin of the flesh that cannot be forgiven....as long as we are genuinely repentant.

    If someone marries a divorced person who is not scripturally free to remarry, then Jesus said it is "adultery" (which in Israel carried the death penalty). What you call it doesn't matter.
    The Bible allows a person to divorce an unfaithful spouse and they are free to remarry...but the only other grounds for remarriage is the death of your spouse.

    At Matthew 5:32 Jesus said...."everyone divorcing his wife, except on account of sexual immorality, makes her a subject for adultery, and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery."

    You cannot dismiss the teachings of Jesus to please the imperfect flesh. The law is the law.
     
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