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Featured Pure Consciousness and Mindfulness

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Fool, Jan 25, 2019.

  1. Fool

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    you are quite capable of unconditional love. there is no one so evil that they don't have the potential for love and there are none so loving that they don't have the potential to turn away from love.

    thank you for sharing your love
     
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    I spent a lot of time thinking about an anthropomorphic type God. Then I spent a lot of time thinking about a pantheistic type God. But lately I've been really resonating with the idea of a Apophatic type God:

    Apophatic theology - Wikipedia

    I've really been changing my views. For a long time I was resonating with the idea of a omnipotent God of unconditional love. God's love is an all-excepting love with no judgment.

    But I'm changing my view on the nature of God. Here are some of my latest thoughts:

    The purpose of religion is not to answer fear based questions.
    The purpose of religion is not to worship God as being great.
    The purpose of religion is to have awareness when we are experiencing true greatness in order to appreciate or experience a sliver of God's greatness.
    The religious experience of God is the experience of Gods greatness as it is expressed in people and nature.

    God is not a object or person. God is a type of experienced.

    Greatness is not labeling people as less than they potentially can be.
    Greatness is seeing people as their potential in expressing a sliver of God's greatness.

    God is not something existing but God is something to be experienced. God is the force in the Universe drawing us to Him. Liken when someone is "in the zone" during a sports performance. Our moments of greatness are slivers of God's greatness being expressed in reality. A woman's beauty. A man's strength. When we see a great play on stage. When we listen to really good music. When we see someone perform amazing selfless acts of charity for others.

    Whatever we experience as "greatness" is a sliver of God's greatness being brought into or exposed in the World. God is our desire to procreate and is the wonderfulness of the experience. God is the light we get drawn to when we die. God is what we are drawn to that gives of enthusiasm. God is the cause of all movement in reality.
     
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    shiva's your guy. by destroying the old love makes everything new again


    The two most common forms of Shiva's dance are the Lasya (the gentle form of dance), associated with the creation of the world, and the Tandava (the vigorous form of dance), associated with the destruction of weary worldviews - weary perspectives and lifestyles. In essence, the Lasya and the Tandava are just two aspects of Shiva's nature; for he destroys in order to create, tearing down to build again.[24]
     
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    "We"? LOL
     
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    If I could stay
    Then the night would give you up
    Stay then the day would keep its trust
    Stay with the demons you drowned
    Stay with the spirit I found
    Stay and the night would be enough
    Three o'clock in the morning
    It's quiet and there's no one around
    Just the bang and the clatter
    As an angel runs to ground
    Just the bang
    And the clatter
    As an angel
    Hits the ground - stay(faraway, so close - U2


    Daniel 6:22
    My God hath sent his angel, and hath shut the lions' mouths, that they have not hurt me: forasmuch as before him innocency was found in me; and also before thee, O king, have I done no hurt.


    Revelation 22:16
    I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
     
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    I think people exist without cravings (unless of course, you mean hunger and thirst) and certainly without aversions (unless you mean realities other than sin).

    I believe holy people exist. It is what I think I should strive for.

    But, you seem to be saying that holiness might not be possible as you say "we" have to be distinct from God [and] Son. I don't believe it!

    1 Peter 1:16 King James Bible
    Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.
     
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    These are basic needs, not cravings.

    Eating food and drinking water is a need and necessity. Strong desire to eat caviar and drink wine is not a necessity and can be classified as a craving. So is the aversion to veggies in some. This is just a random example.


    I said that in the ordinary stage, we may not have the pure consciousness charecterestic of God and the Son. But obviously with self-knowledge and effort, we can be so.

    In Buddhism, it is said that Buddhahood is there in every sentient being as its innate potential.



    Right.
     
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    In mainstream Christianity, the Holy Spirit is said to be a person, and one third of the Holy Trinity. Jesus was begotten of the Father through the Holy Spirit. Jesus was conceived though the Holy Spirit and born of the Virgin Mary, as per the Nicene Creed.

    "For the majority of Christian denominations, the Holy Spirit is the third Person of the Holy Trinity—Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, and is Almighty God.[2][3][50] The Holy Spirit is understood to be one of the three persons of the Trinity. As such he is personal and also fully God, co-equal and co-eternal with God the Father and Son of God.[2][3][50] He is different from the Father and the Son in that he proceeds from the Father (and, according to Roman Catholics, Old Catholics, Anglicans, and Protestants, from the Father and the Son) as described in the Nicene Creed.[3][51] The Triune God is thus manifested as three Persons (Greek hypostases),[52] in One Divine Being (Greek: Ousia),[4] called the Godhead(from Old English: Godhood), the Divine Essence of God.[53]"

    Holy Spirit in Christianity - Wikipedia
     
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    in the tibetan book bardo thodol everyone is conceived of the spirit(mind). the consciousness/spirit forms the body/vehicle per the karma of the consciousness and incubated in a host, the earthly in this case. upon birth/manifestation the spirit/mind takes possession of the vehicle.


    kind of like jesus said,


    John 3:6
    That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

    John 6:63
    It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
     
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    Isn't Love pristine, therefore hate being more of a dislike for those of whom understand? (for what ever respectable name you give to True Divinity)
     
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    wrong.
     
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    Where are the reasons to disprove it !
     
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    You do realize what you said?

    Or maybe its aliens, jesus or thor? Have you researched enough to disprove all of these alternative explanations?

    You are basically saying you believe something few people do and asking them to prove you wrong and if they can't then you are somehow right.

    Dreams and beliefs are not bad things but don't force them on others. If you want to be right about something use something other than your emotional attachment to it to enlighten others.
     
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    What a compelling argument!!

    You have me convinced!
     
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    Do you understand the definition of the word 'opinion?'

    And no. @DanielR happened into the thread, quoted @ajay0's opinion, and responded with the single word, "wrong." Therefore, the burden of proof in on @DanielR to support the claim that @ajay0's opinion is wrong.

    @ajay0 forced nothing upon @DanielR. It was quite the other way around.
     
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    Ah now I get why the Father and Son are Saguna Brahman, or pure consciousness with personal attributes.

    Pure consciousness is more likely to be Loki in an eternal dance with agent coulson while visting Tahiti.
     
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    See also Rule 8.
     
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