Punishing censorship on social media: what do you think?

[Stevicus]

@Stevicus
Dems are the most biased (we use the word doubledstandardists in Italian) in the world when it comes about freedom of speech, they think that "dissing, insulting Trumpians is freedom of speech", whereas rightists cannot do anything. They are supposed to shut up 24/7.

That is why our Rightist Government decided to stand up for freedom of speech and set an example of equality.
No more double standards.

I think the acceptance of double standards has become an art form in the Anglosphere. The hypocrisy is so thick you can cut it with a knife, and yet, so many people seem oblivious to it. Although, it seems pretty obvious and self-evident to those outside of the Anglosphere.

It probably started when someone said "all men are created equal" while simultaneously advocating for slavery, ethnic cleansing, and other such atrocities. These kinds of inconsistencies and discrepancies between propaganda and actual reality rarely go unnoticed by outside observers.

 

[Father Heathen]

Is this freedom of speech? I 100% sure you will say it is freedom of speech.

Alessandra Mussolini announcing the schedule of the visits inside Mussolini's crypt (where he is buried).
And someone replied "there will be more worms outside of the tomb than inside of it". (LOL)

Freedom of speech is about government restriction, and has nothing to do with services offered by private businesses. Is your church obligated to allow satanists to enter and give sermons within it's walls?

 

[Estro Felino]

Freedom of speech is about government restriction, and has nothing to do with services offered by private businesses. Is your church obligated to allow satanists to enter and give sermons within it's walls?

We do speak different languages... really.
I have no idea what you mean with that statement, sorry.

I gave you an example: that tweet. Does it fall within the freedom of speech?

 

[Father Heathen]

@Stevicus
Dems are the most biased (we use the word doubledstandardists in Italian) in the world when it comes about freedom of speech, they think that "dissing, insulting Trumpians is freedom of speech", whereas rightists cannot do anything. They are supposed to shut up 24/7.

That is why our Rightist Government decided to stand up for freedom of speech and set an example of equality.
No more double standards.

Disingenuous. There are no double standards. Disallowing disinformation or bigotry applies to all users of the platform. If you embrace lies and hatred then you only have your own trash ideology to blame.

 

[Father Heathen]

We do speak different languages... really.
I have no idea what you mean with that statement, sorry.

I gave you an example: that tweet. Does it fall within the freedom of speech?

 

[Estro Felino]

I can bake a terrific pizza with pepperoni, btw.

The truth is that our country doesn't consider Twitter or Facebook "publishers". They are service providers that are supposed to be neutral, as for the content that users post.

 

[Father Heathen]

I can bake a terrific pizza with pepperoni, btw.

The truth is that our country doesn't consider Twitter or Facebook "publishers". They are service providers that are supposed to be neutral, as for the content that users post.

They are neutral; their rules against disinformation applies to everyone. Don't want to get banned? Stop spreading lies and hate, or stop using the service altogether if you disagree with their policies. It's that easy.

 

[Estro Felino]

They are neutral; their rules against disinformation applies to everyone. Don't want to get banned? Stop spreading lies and hate, or stop using the service altogether if you disagree with their policies. It's that easy.

The truth is that Twitter is funded by...you know...those countries led by some oil billionaires, those dictatorships where women are considered property. So they demand that Twitter employees censor Western-like freedom of speech.

 

[Father Heathen]

The truth is that Twitter is funded by...you know...those countries led by some oil billionaires, those dictatorships where women are considered property. So they demand that Twitter employees censor Western-like freedom of speech.

Why would oil billionaires who have the rightwing in their pocket, especially U.S. Republicans, try to censor them? That's why conservatives oppose measures to combat climate change.
And if there were any Islamic agenda, pro women's and LGBT rights stuff would be censored by Twitter.

 

[wellwisher]

They are neutral; their rules against disinformation applies to everyone. Don't want to get banned? Stop spreading lies and hate, or stop using the service altogether if you disagree with their policies. It's that easy.

The problem is the lie spreads faster than the truth and appear to be the truth. The truth gets a later start and takes time to catch up, since it cannot use the shady tricks of lying. The Russian Collusion Coup was a lie that spread quickly. The liars used the power of government to feed disinformation to social media. In the short term the truth was called a lie and censored, and the lie was called truth and spread near and far. Those in charge of censorship chose poorly.

How do you avoid that, again, knowing that the lie tends to come out fast and truth takes time to catch up to the lie? The collusion scam was a textbook example of the lie coming out faster than the truth, and how the eggheads on social media were unable to censor the right people for many years, for different reasons. Even now they do not bring justice to the truth by running a counter truth campaign as atonement for backing the con artists. This tells us the censors were involved and supported the lie. There is no accountability

One way to resolve this, is to have no statute of limitations on getting even with clever disinformation on social media that fools the censors or which the censors support. If it takes a few years for the lie to be neutralized, the truth can be used to make all the perps vulnerable to law suits. The Swamp may have won the censorship battle, but the war will have a change of fate, once the truth is revealed and the no statute of limitation, in or out of government, places them on the chopping block. As long as theirs is not accountability you cannot trust the censors. With accountability, they will be more careful or have to pay if they are a partisan scum bag.

It would be a deterrent, if you knew the truth can take its time to catch up to you and bite you. Free speech would involve people doing better research, so they are not using deliberate disinformation. Opinion is fine if not attached to activism.

 

[Estro Felino]

Why would oil billionaires who have the rightwing in their pocket, especially U.S. Republicans, try to censor them? That's why conservatives oppose measures to combat climate change.
And if there were any Islamic agenda, pro women's and LGBT rights stuff would be censored by Twitter.

Twitter's credibility is below the threshold of tolerability. Below zero.

They would be crushed in any Italian courtroom by any Italian lawyer.
And probably by most EU courts.

 

[Father Heathen]

Twitter's credibility is below the threshold of tolerability. Below zero.

They would be crushed in any Italian courtroom by any Italian lawyer.
And probably by most EU courts.

After Musk acquired it, you're right.
Also, nobody outside of Italy cares about Italian courts.

 

[Father Heathen]

The problem is the lie spreads faster than the truth and appear to be the truth. The truth gets a later start and takes time to catch up, since it cannot use the shady tricks of lying. The Russian Collusion Coup was a lie that spread quickly. The liars used the power of government to feed disinformation to social media. In the short term the truth was called a lie and censored, and the lie was called truth and spread near and far. Those in charge of censorship chose poorly.

How do you avoid that, again, knowing that the lie tends to come out fast and truth takes time to catch up to the lie? The collusion scam was a textbook example of the lie coming out faster than the truth, and how the eggheads on social media were unable to censor the right people for many years, for different reasons. Even now they do not bring justice to the truth by running a counter truth campaign as atonement for backing the con artists. This tells us the censors were involved and supported the lie. There is no accountability

One way to resolve this, is to have no statute of limitations on getting even with clever disinformation on social media that fools the censors or which the censors support. If it takes a few years for the lie to be neutralized, the truth can be used to make all the perps vulnerable to law suits. The Swamp may have won the censorship battle, but the war will have a change of fate, once the truth is revealed and the no statute of limitation, in or out of government, places them on the chopping block. As long as theirs is not accountability you cannot trust the censors. With accountability, they will be more careful or have to pay if they are a partisan scum bag.

It would be a deterrent, if you knew the truth can take its time to catch up to you and bite you. Free speech would involve people doing better research, so they are not using deliberate disinformation. Opinion is fine if not attached to activism.

That's an adorable pot 'n kettle, down is up conspiracy theory.

 

[Estro Felino]

After Musk acquired it, you're right.
Also, nobody outside of Italy cares about Italian courts.

But apparently Romans invented the law...that the entire Western World uses.

 

[Father Heathen]

But apparently Romans invented the law...that the entire Western World uses.

Modern Italy is certainly no ancient Roman Empire. In fact, Italy embraces the very thing that lead to it's collapse.

 

[Estro Felino]

Modern Italy is certainly no ancient Roman Empire. In fact, Italy embraces the very thing that lead to it's collapse.

In Italy there is freedom of thought. You can come to Italy and say rightists here are the most racist, the most bigoted, the most fascistic in the world.
It's your sacred right to say so.

 

[Father Heathen]

In Italy there is freedom of thought. You can come to Italy and say rightists here are the most racist, the most bigoted, the most fascistic in the world.
It's your sacred right to say so.

Okay? Point being? Is this different elsewhere?

 

[Estro Felino]

Okay? Point being? Is this different elsewhere?

By the way our Prime Minister here says she will not cancel the law about abortion.

So I guess she is less conservative than the Reps over there...

 

[PureX]

That's why the Italian Parliament intends to pass a law that forbids Twitter and similar from censoring users they don't like.

That's the law: Twitter and similar are service providers and need to abide by the law of the countries they have branches in.

The Italian Parliament has no say in how Twitter conducts it's business. All it could do is ban Twitter from Italian Internet providers. But that would be censorship.

 

[Estro Felino]

The Italian Parliament has no say in how Twitter conducts it's business. All it could do is ban Twitter from the Italian Internet. And that would be censorship.

What is Twitter exactly?
A platform owned by a bunch of people who basically say "here you cannot express your own ideas, unless they conform to our political views. Because we are we and you are nothing". ?