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Psalm 22:16 - Suggested reading

Discussion in 'Biblical Debates' started by Jayhawker Soule, Jan 11, 2006.

  1. linwood

    linwood Well-Known Member

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    Why is this familiar?

    There was another verse in Psalms 22 that was supposedly prophetic for some other happening.
    Why was I reading that?

    grrr..I hate that, it`s going to bug me now.


    Edit:
    It was borrowed into one of the Gospels, there was a possible contradiction about it or I thought there was but there wasn`t.

    I`m going to go have a look at the book.

    grrr..again.

    Edit again: ok..not this verse I was thinking of 22:1 Christs words on the cross.
    Sorry for the de-rail.
    I`ll go have a better look at Jays link now that I`m over that
     
  2. angellous_evangellous

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    Jesus quoted the first line of Psalm 22 at his death, so Christians have traditionally preached the entire Psalm as a metaphorical prophesy of the entire crucifixion scene.

    Psalm 22:1
    My God, my God, why have you forsaken me? Why are you so far from saving me, so far from the words of my groaning?
    Psalm 22:1-3 (in Context) Psalm 22 (Whole Chapter)
    1. Matthew 27:46
      About the ninth hour Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?"—which means, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?"
      Matthew 27:45-47 (in Context) Matthew 27 (Whole Chapter)
    2. Mark 15:34
      And at the ninth hour Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?"—which means, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?"
    EDIT: You were too fast for me Linwood, LOL.
     
  3. linwood

    linwood Well-Known Member

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    Heh..I love that online Blue Letter KJV.

    Thanks though AE that was what was stuck in my head for some reason.
     
  4. angellous_evangellous

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    You're quite welcome. I use www.biblegateway.com as it has just about every version of the Bible that is currently available. I thought that the quotes above are from the English Standard Version, which happens to be my preference.:D However, they are from the evil NIV.:149:
     
  5. linwood

    linwood Well-Known Member

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    Concerning the OP it would seem from the link Jay gave that contemporary fundamentalists are attempting to turn what seems to be a work of beautiful prose into a history lesson to support their agenda.

    Perhaps I`m mistaken in believing the earliest known works in the original language are presumed to be "more valid" in every case?

    Poor wording on my part but the idea gets through.

    Am I wrong in this assumption?
     
  6. may

    may Well-Known Member

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    The book of Psalms is virtually packed with prophecies pointing forward to Jesus Christ

    (Psalm 22:18) They apportion my garments among themselves, And upon my clothing they cast lots.......... yes the psalms are full of prophecies about Jesus

    (Matthew 27:35) When they had impaled him they distributed his outer garments by casting lots,​


    (Mark 15:24) And they impaled him and distributed his outer garments by casting the lot over them as to who takes what

    My God, my God, why have you left me? psalm 22;1




    (Matthew 27:46) About the ninth hour Jesus called out with a loud voice, saying: "E´li, E´li, la´ma sa·bach·tha´ni?" that is, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?"





    (Mark 15:34) And at the ninth hour Jesus called out with a loud voice: "E´li, E´li, la´ma sa·bach·tha´ni?" which means, when translated: "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?

    (Psalm 34:20) He is guarding all the bones of that one; Not one of them has been broken

    (John 19:36) In fact, these things took place in order for the scripture to be fulfilled: "Not a bone of his will be crushed.

     
  7. Green Gaia

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    Or maybe the writers of the New Testament were familiar with Psalms....
     
  8. Jayhawker Soule

    Jayhawker Soule <yawn> ignore </yawn>
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    Is no one embarrassed by the pathetic foolishness of statements such as this?
     
  9. Deut 13:1

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    Let me guess, the Torah is also full of these prophecies?

    I'm sorry, but I don't loosely interpret scripture and stretch it to the limit to make an absurd claim.
     
  10. Aqualung

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    Neither do I. :areyoucra
     
  11. may

    may Well-Known Member

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    no not one bit;)
     
  12. Jayhawker Soule

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  13. Linus

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    Everyone seems to be stuck on one verse, when it's the entire psalm that seems to indicade a Messianic message. Even if you completely remove verse 16, it becomes difficult to miss the messianic references.
     
  14. jewscout

    jewscout Religious Zionist

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    again, that is something that is up for some debate.
    psalms are a collection of poetry attributed, traditionally, to King David.
    IMO that's the extent of it.
     
  15. Linus

    Linus Well-Known Member

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    Among a few other authors, yes.

    I understand where you are coming from, Jewscout, and I see your point. You don't believe that Jesus of Nazareth was the Messiah, so this discussion has a smaller effect on you and your faith. But the way I see it, the significance of this whole thread is its impact on Christianity. That is why I said what I said. Without the "they pierced my hands and my feet" translation, the Messianic reference seems to be weakened. But within the context of Christianity, there are numerous aluusions to Christ in this psalm alone. You can find one on practically every page of the Old Testament (although, sometimes you have to look hard).
     
  16. jewscout

    jewscout Religious Zionist

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    i agree that from your perspective you will, no doubt, find hundreds of writings to be prophetic of your messiah.

    I just don't see them, simply the glasses i wear i suppose;) .
     
  17. Blade

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    I agree that the entire Psalms 22 is a Messianic prphecy. It was written by David yes, but the words were given to David in his sorrow from God.
     
  18. Green Gaia

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    Where is that stated in Psalms 22? I must have missed it... if you'd be so kind as to give me the verse so I can read it for myself. Thanks.
     
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