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Featured Proving that God is Imaginary by Logic

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Hubert Farnsworth, Jul 2, 2020.

  1. Hubert Farnsworth

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    I think this is a good video. Of course it is not a rigorous logical proof, but it is a good, commonsense video overall. I have no doubt that many religious people will not like it, but probably not be able to offer a sound refutation. Thoughts?

     
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    thought experiments?

    if you enter a room and find a table
    someone has been there
    hard telling when

    find a coin on the table......later on
    someone has been there recently

    find a coin spinning on edge
    look over your shoulder

    now go outside to a night time sky
    and notice all that rotation
     
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    George-ananda Advaita Vedanta and Spiritualist and Pantheist
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    That was so awful and repetitive I couldn't make it to the end, sorry.

    God/Brahman/Consciousness is not material in my view. It seems this author is on-board with me on that point.
     
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    Proving that God is Imaginary by Logic

    Step 1, as logical step, would be to define "GOD" first. A definition all agree on.

    Has that problem already been solved?

    To define something, that is per definition "beyond definition" seems problematic

    So, best to let go logic, when talking about God
     
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    Trying to use logic to prove something that's beyond, and the creator of, logic.

    Cute.
     
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    From my earlier experiences...

    Can you see God? - yes
    Can you hear God? - yes
    Can you touch/feel God? - yes
    Can you taste God? - yes

    IMO the conscious self exists in a virtual reality created by our brains. All of these things are a process of the brain. Normally these "physical" experiences occur from external stimuli. However, the brain is capable of recreating these internal experiences without external stimuli.

    We know this/do this to some degree via our imagination. Normally though we are aware of consciously causing this process of imagination. However, I believe these experiences can also occur without conscious control/awareness. The subconscious can autonomously take over control of these experiences to where it is difficult if not impossible to consciously know whether the experience is externally or internally caused.

    Conscious faith/belief allows the subconscious mind a lot more free reign to create these internal kinds of experience.
     
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    You can't see love, you can't hear it, you can't touch it, taste it, or smell it, therefore it doesn't exist for atheists. So, therefore, all atheists are psychopaths.

    Logic.
     
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    The problem ultimately is science can test the truth of everything, but itself. Ergo, it has an obvious failing in regard to being considered the source of the _absolute_ truth. It's perhaps content to say that science provides a relative truth (within the limits of our understanding), but there is always a gap (and probably always will be). However, if the truths it provides are relative then we simply are chasing a thread like a cat here. We must realize whatever we think we know it's all subject to change. If it were providing absolute truth then, of course, that wouldn't be possible.

    That notwithstanding, materialistic observations are largely useless for proving the existence and non-existence of things. For example, you cannot detect thoughts and you presume gravity is there but we actually see nothing but secondary manifestations. No one here would deny either would exist and herein lies some of the dilemmas. It's a minor step from that to being able to scientifically explain religion, but it sees the manifestation and has no means to measure the cause.
     
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    Science is constrained by its own materialism. It can only do so much.
     
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    I get eleven or so posts into a thread; then not to remember what the OP was !
    what's that called ?...what's the OP ?
     
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    It's all imaginary in `God's` eyes, and feels, and tastes,
    OH...was that you ?
     
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    Do you experience God? Is God something you experience?
     
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    You think that picture is love? You've obviously never been in love.

    If a person can't feel or experience love then they would never be able to accept the idea of God.
     
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    You could have made your reply "to prove the other wrong" simpler
    LOVE
    Would you still say "Now I can see LOVE, so I know LOVE?"
     
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    In Advaita non-dual philosophy God and creation are not-two.

    I believe all consciousness is God/Brahman/Consciousness so yes I experience my individual consciousness but have not yet experienced Cosmic/Universal Consciousness.
     
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    A poor woman was in an arranged marriage. She did not find the man attractive but there was no other option for her. The woman lived in a hut without electricity and she slept on a floor mat and she had child after child after child.

    One day the woman went over to a neighbors house, the neighbor had electricity and a television, and she watched a television show about two young adults who were in love and defied their parents and ran off together to elope. Only then did the woman really understand what love was because it was something she never experienced. Her idea of love was primitive, to her, people being together for a long time was love.

    If you have never felt it then you can't really describe it. A textbook definition of love is not love.
     
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    By same logic also gravity is imaginary.
     
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    Wrong on a number of levels.

    1) Not having evidence for something is not a demonstration that it isn't true/doesn't exist.
    2) The God of classical theism/Abrahamic faiths is considered the ground of being itself. Thus he is not conceived as some discrete, individual physical object like a chair. He is the fundamental reality that enables the chair to exist in the first place.

    It is wise to at least attempt to understand that which you criticize. The guy in this video appears to have only been exposed to the most simplistic versions of fundamentalist theism.
     
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