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Featured Provide me a one single benefit of going on moon ?

Discussion in 'Science and Religion' started by chinu, May 2, 2019.

  1. chinu

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    Its all wastage of time and money, nothing else.
     
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    Revoltingest I have the kavorka
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    I see no need to go there again.
    Big waste'o money.
     
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  3. chinu

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    I heard, you taken a selfie there, Revo ?
     
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    Revoltingest I have the kavorka
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    Depends which moon your are talking about. If you're talking about Earth's moon, I hear it has a helluva view.

    If you're talking about Saturn's moon Titan, seems to me a good resource for oil and natural gas should earth's resources ever be depleted.
     
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    What's the point of doing anything that isn't eating, mating, sleeping, breathing and dying?

    What's the point of having money to waste?

    Going beyond the wilderness at all?
     
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    Experience.
     
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    BSM1 What? Me worry?

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    If we are not moving forward, then we are dying...oh, and Tang.
     
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    Development of new technology and pushing more engineering boundaries.
    Exploration and scientific discovery.

    Knowledge is its own reward.
     
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    Probably wasteful but not entirely. There will always be some benefits from the associated research. Its good that we have some things on the moon, such as the laser mirrors and other automated systems.
     
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    Six-Seven times was too much.

    Hey Welcome Back Chinu
    ;)
     
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    Excellent. We can bring more here in case we run out before we've finished making the planet uninhabitable with our current supplies.
     
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    It would be useful from a strategic point of view. Earth's defenses are quite weak. A moon base could be helpful, armed with phasers and photon torpedoes. We're woefully unprepared in the event of an alien invasion, so we need to get cracking.
     
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    Twilight Hue The gentle embrace of twilight has become my guide

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    I kind of thought the Canadians would put the chicken cannon up there.
     
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  16. Revoltingest

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    We gain far more knowledge with remote sensing & unmanned probes.
    As for the moon.....we've been there & done that.
     
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    Wich we have been sending into space as well.
    But probes can't do everything. Nore do probes require the same kind of technology.

    For example, probes don't need air pressure regulators, zero-gravity toilets, comfy and safe spacesuits and what-not.
    That too, is part of pushing engineer boundaries and further perfecting already existing technologies.

    If we ever hope to create a colony thingy on Mars, we're going to need stuff like that.
    In fact, if we can't even make routine trips to the moon and back.... then Mars is not going to happen any time soon.

    And it still costs a buttload of money. There is still no space station on the Moon. Or anywhere else that isn't just orbitting the earth, for that matter.

    There is a buttload to learn still.

    And technology on earth is only going to benefit from it.
    It always has.

    Or did you think we've learned everything there is to know from the handfull of trips take there over the last 4 decades?
     
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  18. Kangaroo Feathers

    Kangaroo Feathers Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...

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    Technology spinoffs
     
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  19. Revoltingest

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    Bang for the buck:
    Remote sensing & unmanned probes give us so much more, eg, identifying
    potentially life bearing planets outside our solar system, exploring the universe.
    Going to the moon offers learning more about its geology. Meh....

    Colonizing Mars:
    This isn't even remotely practical for the foreseeable future.
    Why, you ask?
    Travel there is so dangerous (radiation from years spent in space) & so expensive.
    The cost is ginormous. Re-supply of anyone there is difficult & spendy.
    We could learn more about Mars's geology, but...meh.....
    Before even considering that, we need much cheaper & more reliable methods
    of putting payloads in space.

    The future:
    Telepresence is the way. Man isn't getting any technological upgrades to make
    use more productive or durable. But AI is rapidly advancing, with machines
    becoming more & more capable of independently doing tasks formerly reserved
    for humans. That's where the exciting & productive research lies.
    And they won't need advances in space travel related medicine, food, water,
    oxygen, zero gravity toilets, or the huge overhead of a return trip to Earth.
    Sure, sure...space travel is fun for the very few people who actually do it.
    But the other 99.9999999% of the population experiences it remotely, no
    matter whether a human or a robot sets foot on Mars.

    The only reason to send people to Mars is drama.
    And that isn't good enuf for me.
     
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  20. Revoltingest

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    We get potential technology spinoffs from other approaches to space exploration.
    But it makes no sense to do something because of serendipitous & ancillary rather
    than primary benefits.

    I liked the Apollo program. It yielded much.
    It was worth doing once....just once.
    We have more opportunities today than in the 60s.

    We're getting more using less these days.
    Unmanned explorers in space.....
    Kepler
    Voyager
    WMAP
    Chandra X-ray telescope
    Pioneer
    Spitzer
    Hubble
    Spirit & Opportunity
    Cassini-Huygens
    Viking

    Earth bound telescopes....
    Keck 1 & 2
    ALMA
    GTC
    Arecibo
    GMT
    And my current favorite.....LIGO
    (Think of it as a quasi-telescope which looks at gravity waves instead of electromagnetic waves.)

    As for manned missions, I give the ISS high marks for making the technology
    of keeping humans in space humdrum. If ever we do go to visit mars, this is
    a necessary first step. But we're a long way off from understanding how to keep
    humans safe, healthy & productive in prolonged conditions of remote isolation,
    confinement & weightlessness.
     
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