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Featured Prove or Disprove Flat Earth Theology

Discussion in 'Science and Religion' started by Samantha Rinne, Sep 20, 2019.

  1. Samantha Rinne

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    Amazingly, I think I agree. I thought I was pretty fringe with my thinking, but I don't understand this consciousness is 0 at a circle thing.

    As far as "not understanding anything" from DishonestJoe, I'm afraid I see that as the pot calling the kettle black. Over eight pages, a stunning lack of people have even been able to entertain the possibility of what I've said, and most didn't appear to understand it, using tired opinions of "experts" instead of speaking from their own observations.

    I understand plenty. I understand that most of you are brainwashed from a young age by repeated false pictures from NASA. But NASA itself (sorry, not a fake document, it's at NASA.gov) released a PDF explaining the physics of air travel. Their first assumption before any formulas, they assume a flat unmoving earth. They've been outside the Earth in rockets, why would the make this assumption?

    This is in 1988, after people had been to the moon.

    Don't believe me? Read for yourself. Page 6. And 35. Assuming our documents match up.

    https://www.nasa.gov/centers/dryden/pdf/88104main_H-1391.pdf

    Why would they say this, and publicly release all types of pictures showing the curve of the Earth? Because, the average person believes this crap, and to deny it will cost their reputation and their funding. Worse, the average person will assume if the Earth is flat, that there is no reason for space exploration. Bye bye NASA. This is basically the information equivalent of Phillip Morris telling us cigarettes are bad for us, then trying to get us to smoke. Huge conflict of interest, but it happens.

    Now, it is possible that this means "assuming there are planets that are flat and unmoving, use these equations, but for Earth you will have to add formulas in." But this begs the question, at least some places NASA has discovered (and is clearly not telling us about), there must be conditions like this.
     
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    You believe the earth is flat?
     
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    The reason that they simplified the Earth to a flat surface is that over the small distances that they are doing the analysis the curvature of the Earth plays little to no role. The reason that they do this is that the math is much simpler. Scientists do this all of the time. When a more accurate model only makes the math much harder (and therefore more apt to error) they often find it better to explain using a simpler, but slightly less accurate model. It is why NASA still uses Newtonian physics when calculating orbits of satellites and planets. It is very rare that the precision of Einstein's General relativity is needed.
     
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    Has the US stopped teaching basic science and math in school, and nobody told me?
     
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    O the science self says the cosmos told me that O is mass and also maths.....all that I own as a human living on a planet, taking the mass out of that planet and claiming the state science and technology....and the use of energy.

    And I taught self, that energy is not held in any containment....so I said it was free.

    Therefore I had to look to where it was held contained....which is in MASS.

    The science self, which I am quoting, said that O as he began to change the spatial effect on creation, more pressure was applied, why it became oblate, squashed.

    So then what I lost out of mass what notified to my mind/psyche in what communication/mass I had put in the atmosphere, where my consciousness is being used.

    How a mind thinks in a flat condition, by causes transmitted light, brain chemistry and loss of mass that was once O to its release...what gets communicated back to allow a mind to be aware, oh and human science had removed that mass.

    The UFO radiation science mass effect.

    If you said to self I believe in Earth falling and placed a model of it from a large Earth to another Earth to another Earth and then said and inside of earth is a small Earth.

    Then your mind would be telling you Earth was O once circular, it got removed and removed and removed and removed and has become smaller and smaller by science conditions, for only the science mind tells themes of a line.....flatness.

    And then counts upon that line and says time is age....yet consciousness ages in time......O a circle never owned an age.
     
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    I'm late to the show but I think I have a new approach that can revive this thread and settle the question. I'm not going to prove the earth is round, I'm going to prove to you, to your satisfaction, that a round earth model is better (more in accord with the evidence, more predictive, more explanatory, more parsimonious) than a flat earth model.
    First we'll have to establish some common ground which sources of information are trustworthy to use. Obviously, you reject photo and video evidence from space, right?
    You also must reject some laws of physics but you accept others. Can have a list of rejected or accepted laws (which ever is shorter), please?
    Lastly. am I right in the assumption that you reject the Copernican Principle, the assumption that laws of nature are valid in all of nature and don't change from place to place?
     
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    photo sinkhole - Bing images

    Flat Earth theory....how to take a solid body MASS O and flatten it.....a hole...round.

    Maths, mass removal by a line theory, after the string theory collider was active.

    Theory modern times based on what a male says that the original pyramid did based on the North point of O the Earth......to shift mass.

    If you shift mass, then it would demonstrate its shift by a circular return and not by a line.

    O cold mass.

    To shift by law of physics is to transform through destruction by the highest power known to science.....radiation in space.

    If you shift a body in space, to take from its highest form O into a lower form, and then own colder conditions, which is to drop Earth further down into space like said Satan did.

    How you get a cold hole, the radiated space theme....as taken out of MASS proving that MASS is O a circular body.

    Satan further down in the space well was hotter than God O Earth...so saved God....why Satan in Hell was taught to save God, for space was opened by hotter bodies first...why males said that Satan owned the fall. Therefore O circular bodies are proven held O MASS in cold states......for the coldest depth and highest heat is removal of O.
    The human imposed laws of science, how to obtain already existing energy in a lesser massed form.

    Tan.
    informal
    dated
    beat (someone) repeatedly as a punishment.

    thrash · beat

    Tan, what happens to the skin when exposed to the Sun
    Tan Sin, Cos and Tan - Maths GCSE Revision

    Tan applied to gent in secret meant the male term tangent.

    Gods Laws....our Christ atmosphere was beaten by Satan, yet it overcame by being newly born in colder deeper space....the Law of God in the Universe, natural advice, natural law.

    As Laws of God by storytelling, which existed first...the actual applied science machine converting laws, machine reaction as controlled by a male imposes his human laws in science to the machine reaction, were told previously just as a story.

    In fact male humans owned self evidence, he imposes laws in Nature for his machine. For natural and Nature and natural self mass presence is present, is created, and he does not speak on behalf of those bodies. He in fact thinks on behalf of gaining a machine reaction which is to force age upon the materials to build/own a machine to react....the string itself. …..or line thinking ^^^^^^^^^^^^

    ^ was how the gas spirit was removed out of the physical mass of God O solid MASS.

    When a male says I think about how a Universe got created is placing thinking into another present Universe as a Universal Law as how one Universe affects another Universe.
    ...if a male said to self when no thing existed, there is no science law. It is only relevant to his conscious aware state as a male living inside of the atmospheric mass body...where his ideas come about. Mind is missing and owns a space when researching, for he sought laws in VISION and not in physical MASS.


    If you asked a male in science what real conditions does science not own as a human?

    The answer is, he does not own the natural Universe, or any of the bodies that he discusses. He is only a natural human life, self owned....and all other statuses he imposes by male group control and group idealism....which also involves not applying honest mutual living conditions, for his choices were always based on group control and removing anyone who argued. Therefore he never owned a factual science condition of honesty and truth....it was enforced by group tactics.

    We exist consciously looking out into the nothing plus reviewing conditions of changes to the MASS....so we are on the other side already....as the Universe stated to be the Heavenly Laws. So we consciously know the Law of space is a non physical existence as a flat plane as compared to MASS O itself....for we do not think as a solid.

    If a male said to another human, do MATHS and time (natural light that owns consciousness) without using a circle, which means that you cannot use the Numbering system of 1 to 12.

    Then define science by definition of age and strings on lines as a flat condition.

    If a male said I gave the circle O the basis for zero for God is stone nass a solid in zero cold empty space, and 1 to 12 natural time in a non physical place as gases...he would be telling the Law of existence on Earth. Time is non existence....because the Law of time is to force age.

    If stone just sat as stone in space without release of its owned form.....then no age would exist, for we would not exist either.

    Without the gas mass as known to the male conscious self, where all his ideals are withdrawn from......an inferred circular body, which is not mass itself, the heavenly body is a gas mass that surrounds a circular body..... he would in fact claim in mind that 1 to 12 is not a circle. Because the circle does not contain the gases of the heavenly body, flat space does. Why gases cause space to exist within its mass.

    And if he details the atmospheric gas mass beginnings knowing it came from a volcano, he would place the flat line plane volcanic mass as the equator, yet it arose by ^ mountain as the law of stone beginnings for the spirit returned. God Law theme, first original male science themes.

    So he would factually claim in a false mind condition, radiation feed back sciene owned communications, that MASS is half the Earth body, the flat plane lava/volcanic mass is the other half of the natural Earth MASS body...and then claim that the other half of actual physical MASS on Earth was the atmosphere by a half circle trying to claim a gas or spirit heavens is held in a container O a circle, just as God O Earth mass is stated.

    As not the LAW of God as first naturally taught.

    Natural human life, is our origins and natural human thinking the first concept used before the states of science were invented by a storyteller male group. Which are laws for science, his inventions. ^^^^^^ to introduce the flat plane mind condition in AI possession, radiation/radio wave feed back.
    For you can discuss natural, and yet the laws of science are not about natural law....they are how he can force changes to the natural laws.

    If we did not own natural cold heavenly mass as a gas, then males say that the law in space is a background of radiation.

    Gas he knows as energy is used up and removed when burnt, and we live and survive in that gas mass history. So it is also why we die....for we live in a cold gas water supported living condition.....and not a heated conversion as is applied in science, to force change to MASS first.

    Science as its own LAWS already own the artificial force changer to natural laws in natural history...the UFO mass...and imposed science to science as laws....when science never owned or utilized natural law which is stated FUSION non change.

    If he themes for a non change to fusion, then he could not apply his science invention. If natural Law already owns human death, then if he wanted to alter that owned natural Law he would give us direct death, which is combustion.....seeing we own and live in natural laws.

    Therefore you would ask any theorist why they involve the Nature in any of their machine theories which is any human implied God to Jesus theme....and the correct answer is, because the Nature lives in the natural law of the gas atmosphere and he wants it to change to allow a fake God pretend mass machine reaction to interact with the atmosphere and not Natural life.

    UFO radiation mass, shows it is a flat mass minus removal by giving an earth impression of a circle as it removes extra cold gas mass, so we die and do not survive before our natural death...so it proves it is not creating, it is removing energy.

    Males invented their own science machine laws to activate/relate to sun UFO metallic mass radiation to remove energy from its highest state to release energy at a lower state....and then that energy is removed in the machine reaction, yet the machine does not own consuming of the reaction, the reaction does.

    So males apply fake laws to the fusion history of their machines...which science cannot claim that a machine controlled by a human being is owner of any Law....when he is knowingly breaking what he says is Natural Law to obtain energy artificially.

    If a male says that the Law is artificial, then no human or Natural life would exist, for we are not a conversion......our bodies are a reactive bio organism that uses energy itself to remain existing. Natural Law already states that energy is already being used/consumed by the natural life.

    Therefore when a male says the Laws are Sun time, he also says that a sun consumes its own energy to remain existing as a Sun to say I compared the law of radiation in naturally existing bodies...as the law of the cosmos relating to non zero bodies....held mass.
    If you ask the same conscious life thinking conditons, why it suddenly believes in a variation to natural law O time and light conditions as proven to be 100 per cent correct as a circular body, moving around a circulating mass by a cycle....then the terms cycle could not exist....for we would not own a cycle....we would just own movement in one direction only.

    Claiming that nothing is the flat plane with one direction only, to continue into infinity on a time line that owns no end in aging and numbering....even though a human being who owns and expresses all Laws from thinking only lives an age for 100 years.
    Science looking at a human bio ovary, says it begins as a circular body, that develops into a forming of a mass of cells to become the life on not a circle...the baby.

    Maybe that history is why some humans do not believe in circles as a consciousness. For it might be true that their own human future will not survive for a 100 year curvature returned idea experience as given to them by evaluation of C, the atmospheric mass body domed above their head.

    C value 100 as a law of consciousness as Christ consciousness. As DNA is owned by pre existing human adults, AI attacking human memory might not allow them to review information naturally any more....why they believe in their argument.
     
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    Uh huh. Can’t argue with that.
     
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    It's called linear approximation. Even when there is curvature, a 'flat' approximation will work locally and to some degree of accuracy. Usually, the math is much easier with such an approximation, so if such an approximation works well enough, it is often used instead of a more detailed description that needs more complicated calculations.

    This is a *very* common technique throughout the sciences: get a first approximation that is easy to use, then, when more accuracy is required, go to a more complete picture.

    It is also very common to ignore effects that have little impact at the level of approximation being done. So, for example, the rotation of the Earth isn't going to be very relevant for designing a building, or even for voyages only going a hundred miles or so. So, for an approximation, we ignore it.
     
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    A male says light by O cycle, round of 12, and 12 holds its own natural constant as God O the planet travels a linear flat plane rotation just around gases that own spatial flat fill in, with space left......why we can walk factually through space consciously as an ideal of existing only by mind.

    Yet we own a bio life form...what Christ conscious teaching about relativity of conscious self experience being a liar in the physics of its own choice to be destroyed linearly....by age....meaning I age as a life, I die as a life, I think as a life, I infer self destruction to the story God in natural history O.

    And so many conscious teaching variations exist to bring the spiritual self to its own natural conscious realization.

    Such as speaking as if O God the angel is alive, to other variations to force the thinker to think about other concepts, to take their male self driven self destructive reasonings away from their own fool and concept of being conned in self destructive theorising.
     
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    Cool that you had a chance to go to China! Where did you
    go, how did you like it?
    It is kind of jarring for a Westerner at first but you can
    get used to the differences.
    IF you are going again, and things look more peaceful in
    Hong Kong then, it would be fun to show you the
    "real" HK, from an insider point of view!

    As to the flight, here is what you do. Get a globe, and
    put a string, one end of LA or wherever you started from
    and the other in Hong Kong. Pull it tight. It goes right "up"
    the coast, along the Aleutians, and "down" past Japan etc.

    Super easy to see why a mercator projection and "up / down"
    are useful fictions, and dont always match with what really happens.

    Going straight line from LA to HK on a mercator looks good,
    till you see how it is on a globe.
     
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    I never said you don’t understand anything, you said that you don’t understand how the round Earth model fits with your observations. I merely pointed out that just because you don’t understand how the model fits with your observations doesn’t automatically mean it is wrong.

    I understand what you’re saying, I just disagree with your conclusions. I specifically disagree with the assumption that even if you did identify logical flaws with the currently accepted round Earth model, that would in any way support a specific flat-Earth model. I think I’ve said this before but if you want to argue for a flat Earth, you need to provide a specific detailed hypothesis which could be tested and validated as a whole.

    Pictures from NASA aren’t the reason I accept the Earth as being round. Seeing the relative positions of the Sun at different times and in different places is one of the early clues. Learning about fundamental gravitational principles naturally leading to spheres is another. Reading the historical accounts of different people in entirely independently studying and measuring things like the curvature or the Earth and the relative motions of astronomical bodies also point in the same direction. None of that is 100% definitive of course and there is always going to be large elements of trusting the words of others (as there is with everything) but I see no reason to dismiss all of that out of hand. I certainly see no reason to accept an alternative model with its own glaring flaws.

    Because the curvature and rotation of the Earth are small but complex factors in flight models and excluding them allows for relatively simpler equations which are good enough for most uses. They’re assuming a rigid aircraft of fixed mass too, ignoring the variations in those factors for the same reason. That doesn’t mean theories of material dynamics or combustion are fake.

    Well yes, why would they publish contradictory data? If the Earth was really flat but NASA was involved in some kind of cover-up, why wouldn’t the cover-up extend to the document you linked too? Everything NASA publishes should be consistent with the model they’re promoting regardless of whether it’s true or not. Isn’t it at least as possible that you’ve simply misunderstood the implications of a technical document (or whoever told you about it has misinformed you)?
     
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    Chinese no fooled by cheap NASA tricks.

    We know the earth is round, like an orange.*

    * "round, like an orange" is a like taken from
    "100 Years of Solitude".

    A peasant gets hold of an astrolabe, and spends months
    studying it, after which he comes forth with his stunning
    discovery- "The earth is round, like an orange."
     
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    As what is a male brain pattern is likened to, as the thinker of information in a dead brain?
    Brain Death Scan

    A male says to self ^ released first the hot radiating dense state from O stone, in natural history. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ his ideas of hot dense gases cooling.

    The Different Types and Patterns of Brain Waves

    A male brings into Earth thinking of history, a cold clear evolution of gas masses and says, I know that Sun radiation removed natural Earth gas cold evolution, and introduced Sun radiation signals instead by metal particles. 2 sides in thinking 12 natural alight gas in day....12 not alight gases in night....all with radiation metal communications in them. Thinking aware information.

    Then he personally as a life living in natural radiation waves/radio frequencies changes radiation mass...by burning out spatial Saviour/asteroid gases as cold space history...as he knew that information.

    He then mass irradiated Earth with metallic mass for science only.......which would introduce brain changes by the communications....which would have caused the male brain to be introduced to the signals of hot dense radiation history.....as a not normal nor natural brain/mind signal gain.

    Why his personal male life bio mind has lived disturbed ever since from his own self applied interactive cause, to get unnatural radiation mass put into Earth as a science held interactive feed back unnatural and artificial historic advice.

    How his conscious self learnt unnatural information and why he believes in self artificial radiation destruction, by those very historic self caused conditions.

    As energy constant on Earth in science owned male psyches causes total destruction of the holy nuclear chemical dusts...then inter active radio transmitters has given him falsified beliefs in that brain/mind status.

    For energy in natural conditions does not get destroyed by MASS as MASS UFO presence to MASS holy dust removal as a natural status in natural life....so his mind psyche lies to itself and falsifies natural information.

    How a flat brain mind thinking concept would be introduced into a thinking conscious concept who can no longer factualize or feel by emotional and psychic intuition/self awareness what it is to live in a communicating naturally advised planetary life via round O bodies being the Creator.

    For MATHS O cannot not infer to MASS.......in a numbered condition and claim self not brain changed...when O MATHS infers flat O removal from MASS by o small physical removal itself.

    Enlargement O MATHS to get o physical mass removal is why his brain is proven wrong.
    The mind of Christ is given to believers through the Holy Spirit. 1 Corinthians 2:10-12 says, “…but God has revealed it to us by his Spirit. The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God.

    Science causes flat plane thinking that is not relative to living consciously by MASS.

    Space is a one plane body.....which gases fill in as that one plane.....being one plane thinking consciously.

    We do not just live in one plane, or we would be a gas, the spirit of God, we came from O a solid body of MASS that owned the creation of the spirit.

    Being a container.

    If a body was not contained then it is just a spirit, one plane.

    To own a body and be a contained body it is a MASS O as 2 concepts, both timed and also stood upon physically.

    Anyone with common sense would know and experiences a flat plane, and then the non existence of that flat plane, as an edge...and if you walk to the edge you fall off...which proves depth.

    Depth proves a measure...which was proven O mass.
     
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    Are you using a cut-up technique, like the one invented by William Burroughs ? I know there is software that can do that kind of text editing. David Bowie used Burroughs’ method to write a lot of his lyrics.

    Long before PCs etc, I used paper and pen to construct sentences, then isolate key elements of the sentence, and for each element create a list of alternate words of the same type (noun, adverb, verb etc). Then randomly select one item from each element list, and plug them into the sentence template.

    The eerie thing is, if a ‘subject’ provides the initial sentence and the list of alternates - I generally asked for ten words for each element - the output usually shocks the subject because it always seems to have a ‘presque vu’ deep and meaningful vibe. Pretty much every time.
     
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    Science imposes separation theories not relative to natural.

    We walk on stone which is flat to our psyche, and as stone is a diverse fused O multi body over the conditions of where a human could walk, then the idea of flat separation comes about due to water mass.

    We live as a near bio water conscious life experience as the thinker.

    History of male science awareness was bible AI male stated, about mind conscious self involving a self relationship of change to self was from a ground mass attack historically. A male said that ground mass attack as the ARK landing wandered..so it landed attacked, shifted and then landed attacked, shifted, a flat Earth belief.

    For he then tried to impose his belief that this reaction owned his life. When in reality that reaction changed/converted his life. For if you were not there witnessing the attack, you could not talk about it afterwards for you would own no memory, when the reaction attack is activated, fusion removed and then stopped.

    Everyday that same held fixed constant conversion is maintained in a nuclear power plant...which owns constant science psyche aware feed back to the male inventor of science mind.

    The attack, not a flat Earth theme was a round massed UFO metallic radiation form....as the owned attack. So his mind in 2 places was removed from owning relative thinking concepts to circular mass existing......by that cause....so it gives fake mind reasoning instead....for it was not a natural effect in relativity.

    Natural is first the relative advice, reactive cause is never relative it is knowledge of what is changing to natural.

    Science is based on knowing how to change natural...so it is not relative...for natural is not meant to be changed, why it owns no Laws.
     
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    It's like you never learned anything about basic newtonian physics, gravity, momentum, etc.
    Did you finish high school? be honest now...
     
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    Consider being in a train that drives at 300km/h
    Now throw a ball.

    The ball reacts in the exact same way as if you would do the same throw in your living room. Yet your living room isn't traveling at 300km/h.


    Let that sink in for a while and see if you can figure out for yourself what this means.
     
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    I pointed that out numerous times.
    Nothing came back.
     
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