Proposed bill would require men in Alabama to get vasectomy

[dianaiad]

Maybe so.
But I remember when the Republican party was about small, minimally intrusive, government.
Boy, things have changed.
Haven't they?
Tom

Not really. The biggest difference isn't about whether big government is wanted. It's about where it's wanted. It used to be that the conservatives would advocate for regulation of private lives...like marriage and child birth and the way people behave, but stay away from business and finance. The LIberals wanted the government to stay out of people's lives, and WOULD want heavy regulation of all things financial and business.

Right now, from what I see, the conservatives want the government to stay out of everything, and the liberals want to control everything...from what we think to what we believe to what we do.

At least, that's what I see from where I sit. It isn't the CONSERVATIVES, after all, who talk about 'woke' and being politically correct and micro aggression and 'virtue signaling.'

But then, I'm just a libertarian that wants the government to stay the heck out of everything, pretty much.

 

[dianaiad]

Have you not been reading the thread or OP article?

Just the OP article. That's why I wrote what I did about not doing any research. Tell me. Was it a Democrat who came up with it?

 

[dianaiad]

The only idiots are those who thought it was serious legislation; It was made to lampoon an anti-abortion bill.

So...it was a Democrat.

Figures.

 

[columbus]

The biggest difference isn't about whether big government is wanted. It's about where it's wanted.

Exactly.
Republicans are all about big government when it's used to control people. Democrats are about big government helping people.

Also, Republicans are about foisting the bill off onto future generations. Democrats will pay for government expenditures by taxing people.

Sorry, but "tax and spend" is much better than "borrow and spend". I know that the TeaParty prefers to believe that expenses paid by borrowing don't count towards fiscal insanity, but to me they do.

One of the freakish things about the current USA political landscape is that the Democrats have become the party of fiscal responsibility, and the Republicans the party of gigantic debt and deficit spending.

The facts are out there on the internet if you don't believe me.
Tom

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Just the OP article. That's why I wrote what I did about not doing any research. Tell me. Was it a Democrat who came up with it?

Yes. An "attention bill" that isn't actually intended to draw attention to an issue, usually with over exaggerated intentions in the bill, like when one bill sued (or subpoenaed, I don't remember which as its been awhile) god, and another that would have made it illegal for anyone under 18 to eat Oreo cookies (draw attention to the dangers of transfat). In this case, it's a proposal to require absurd violations of bodily autonomy and reproductive rights over men as the state often does over women. And much like birth control, the tone of discussion chnages when men have a spotlight in them that they wpuld typically have on women.

 

[Twilight Hue]

So...it was a Democrat.

Figures.

Of course.

You expect them to respect people's individual liberties and choices?

The Socialist Democrats took the playbook right out of Communist China probably.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Yes. An "attention bill" that isn't actually intended to draw attention to an issue, usually with over exaggerated intentions in the bill, like when one bill sued (or subpoenaed, I don't remember which as its been awhile) god, and another that would have made it illegal for anyone under 18 to eat Oreo cookies (draw attention to the dangers of transfat). In this case, it's a proposal to require absurd violations of bodily autonomy and reproductive rights over men as the state often does over women. And much like birth control, the tone of discussion chnages when men have a spotlight in them that they wpuld typically have on women.

So-called 'attention bills' are dangerous and completely reckless. Just like the people that put them out.

Introducing such bills are not some little plaything for their own personal and petty agendas.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

So-called 'attention bills' are dangerous and completely reckless. Just like the people that put them out.

Introducing such bills are not some little plaything for their own personal and petty agendas.

Women's reproductive health, choices, and rights are no "personal and petty agenda" items. And no, these aren't dangerous things as they are feet intended to ever pass but instead to call attention to an issue in an quantum getting way.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Women's reproductive health, choices, and rights are no "personal and petty agenda" items. And no, these aren't dangerous things as they are feet intended to ever pass but instead to call attention to an issue in an quantum getting way.

No it's a little plaything for reckless politicians and it is definitely dangerous.

 

[Father Heathen]

Of course.

You expect them to respect people's individual liberties and choices?

The Socialist Democrats took the playbook right out of Communist China probably.

You obviously haven't read the thread, so why in the hell are you posting in it? It amounts to worthless spam if you don't actually understand what's going on.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

No it's a little plaything for reckless politicians and it is definitely dangerous.

Examples?

 

[Twilight Hue]

You obviously haven't read the thread, so why in the hell are you posting in it? It amounts to worthless spam if you don't actually understand what's going on.

Oh I understand all right.

And I will continue posting on this socialist Democrat garbage till hell freezes over and calling it out for what it is.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Examples?

You even have to ask?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

You even have to ask?

Then shall I take that as you have none amd just dont like the idea because this time its a "socialist democrat" heathen that must be stopped at all cost doing it?

 

[columbus]

You expect them to respect people's individual liberties and choices?

Do you have any idea how ridiculous this sounds to a gay guy who lived in Indiana while Trump's Vice President Pence, then Governor Pence, tried so hard to get marriage inequality enshrined in the State Constitution?
Seriously?
You think that the Republicans give a crap about individual human's liberties and choices when corporate America wants something else?
Tom

 

[Father Heathen]

You expect them to respect people's individual liberties and choices?

Oh, and tell me which party has traditionally opposed gay rights, reproductive rights, cannabis legalization, tattoo parlors, selling alcohol on sunday, etc.?

That's what I thought.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Do you have any idea how ridiculous this sounds to a gay guy who lived in Indiana while Trump's Vice President Pence, then Governor Pence, tried so hard to get marriage inequality enshrined in the State Constitution?
Seriously?
You think that the Republicans give a crap about individual human's liberties and choices when corporate America wants something else?
Tom

Maybe we should get a tally made and line it up side by side and see who wins the prize on who is actually more oppressive of individual rights and liberties.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Oh, and tell me which party has traditionally opposed gay rights, reproductive rights, cannabis legalization, tattoo parlors, selling alcohol on sunday, etc.?

That's what I thought.

What does that have to do with forced alteration of one's body?

Nice straw men you got going there. I think you got an entire hay field full of them.

 

[Father Heathen]

What does that have to do with forced alteration of one's body?

Oh.

Oh wow.

You're still under the impression that it was a serious bill they actually intended to pass and enforce?

That's pretty damn sad.

 

[columbus]

Maybe we should get a tally made and line it up side by side and see who wins the prize on who is actually more oppressive of individual rights and liberties.

How about you stop pretending that the Republicans are champions of individual rights and freedoms?
Realize that neither wing of the Republocratic party are interested in that sort of claptrap once they've gotten elected and can do what they were bribed to do?
Tom