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Featured Proof that God isn't satan, or Lucifer.

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Desert Snake, Aug 20, 2019.

  1. JJ50

    JJ50 Well-Known Member

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    The Bible says a lot of crazy things, best not to take that story book literally any more than one would the Harry Potter novels, which are a better read, imo.
     
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    crossfire Antinomian feminist heretic freak ☿
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    Can you show me where lucifer is referred to as a fallen angel in the bible?
     
  3. Desert Snake

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    Lucifer, is Lucifers name

    Jesus, is Jesus's name

    In other words.
    They're different beings.

    Lucifer is often or usually associated with the biblical satan. Makes sense since satan has a kingdom.
    Matthew 12:26
     
  4. crossfire

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    There is more evidence in the Bible to associate Jesus with the Morning Star than there is to associate Satan with the Morning Star. (Although one could make the argument that Jesus himself was a fallen angel sent here to suffer and die.)

    I'm still waiting for your evidence.
     
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    The star in the east was just that, in the east. If the three kings came from the east and followed the star, the star would've been in the west, not the east. This star did appear on Friday evening, January 6, 1984. This date is three kings day in Puerto Rico and it was a very big and bright six pointed star in the eastern sky. The two kings were Ronald Reagan, and Zhao Zoung of China. They were at a summit close by and drove down and visited me after I was in the newspaper. I also chased them away.
     
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    2 Samuel 24:1


    1 Chronicles 21:1
     
  7. Desert Snake

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    Yes, however they used a direct correlation to 'Lucifer', [the shining one, when they used that name, to mean the fallen angel.

    In other words, you have two different names

    Lucifer, hebrew Ha'lal,

    And Jesus, described in similar manner sometimes. General description type thing, not an intent of 'name', persona.

    If the intent was to make Jesus Lucifer, then it didn't work, and isn't specific.
     
  8. Desert Snake

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    Can't change the association of lucifer with Jesus, now, don't want to associate Jesus with Lucifer.

    Either way they[you lose the argument.
    Thusly, if I say:

    Jesus is Lucifer, you say no
    Or if I say Jesus isn't Lucifer, you have to say no, also.
     
  9. Desert Snake

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    Fine then is Jesus lucifer, or not?
    It's a yes or no question.
     
  10. Desert Snake

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    And this type of argument has occured before. Yes, buddha as essentially an atheist, is faced with his destination, 'the big nothing', or whatever.

    Believers have an afterlife, [heaven and hell, and therefore that analogy doesn't make any sense cross religion wise.
    Who cares if buddha had to realize the big nothing he was going to face? According to his own religion?
    Has nothing to do with the religious context we're talking about.
     
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    To an atheist, guatamas soul wrenching meditation, is incredibly foreboding. An awakening, if you will. Faced with the great nothing , an annihilation, this is of prime importance to atheist religions.
    The anguished cry of a mortal screaming at an uncaring universe.



    To theists, who have an afterlife, heaven and hell, so forth. This means nothing.
    Facing heaven or hell is thusly an important factor, so forth. The line between this world, and the next, or other realms, is willow o the wisp at best, there is is no distinction, often times.


    Totally different perceptions of the self, and the 'universe'.
     
  12. crossfire

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    Lucifer is a symbol of a light bringer--one who facilitates understanding. Lucifer is not one single person. It is a function within your heart/mind. A person can spread light through understanding, or can spread darkness/confusion through propaganda. The idea that Lucifer is a single person is propaganda. Some people profit by keeping people confused, and will try to demonize truth and understanding.
     
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    I've read some persons involved with Judaism faith-based beliefs considering Satan to be an agent whom God uses to test people's characters.

     
  14. Desert Snake

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    You understand that for some theistic believers, this isn't a "whim", or such? I'm not sure you understand that, because your arguments do not refute certain beliefs.
     
  15. Desert Snake

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    Ok, that seems to be your explanation.
     
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    Go look up Carl Jung's Transcendent Function.

    Consider the Zen sayings:

    "From Great Trust (Faith) arises Great Doubt. From Great Doubt arises Great Determination. From Great Determination arises Great Awakening."

    "Great Doubt, Great Awakening. Small Doubt, Small Awakening. No doubt, No awakening."
     
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    Here's a document I just wrote to help you understand.
     

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  18. Road Less Traveled

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    People can make whatever name they want up, and find similarities in words in a bunch of different linguistics. In Sanskrit, ‘Satan’ has a lot of similarities to meaning truth and others have believed that ‘Jehovah’ means evil god, or god of chaos, or god of deception.

    At the end of the day, they are just words and names.
     
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