questfortruth
Well-Known Member
1. Paint in black swan can exist.
2. Plastic black swan can exist.
3. Genetically mutated swan can be black.
I see no hard problem here.
No, media hates me. I have 29 warnings in RF.
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Proof of God, when Jesus am God
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1. Paint in black swan can exist.
2. Plastic black swan can exist.
3. Genetically mutated swan can be black.
I see no hard problem here.
questfortruth
Well-Known Member
If a Muslim doubts Bible, he doubts the definition of Jesus. Because the Bible is introduction to Jesus. Hence, Koran depends on Bible.
Spirit of Light
Be who ever you want
Huh?
Many Theists, Agnostics, Deists will disagree with this assertion without 'proof.'Atheists may disagree with you if you dont have a body of Jesus you can show them as evidence...Just saying
Not sure what this has to do with the Qur'an?
The hard part is not the proof, as in finding one but in disproving a black swan exists.
Tell you what, if you go about disproving the existence of black swans, I'm make the attempt to disprove the existence of Jesus.
And you haven't been banned yet? RF seems pretty tolerant.
Sheldon
Veteran Member
Sheldon
Veteran Member
Atheists may disagree with you if you dont have a body of Jesus you can show them as evidence...Just saying
Nice straw man fallacy. I disagree with him, because he's just constructed a risible circular reasoning fallacy, stacking up one bare assumptions after another. He also doesn't see to understand what proof means. I also am prepared to believe it is possible Jesus existed, that still leaves all your work before you, as his existence doesn't remotely evidence any of the divine or supernatural claims made about him.
AlexanderG
Active Member
There was a fire-breathing goat the size of a mountain. There's a book written by an anonymous author, and it says that people told him that a thousand other people saw the fire-breathing goat, and that it all happened hundreds of years ago. But then the goat died and its entire body was shifted to another dimension that we can't detect.
You can't disprove it. Therefore it is unrefuted. Therefore it is true. Am I doing it right?
Sheldon
Veteran Member
Unlike logic, which does require adherence to strict principles of validation. One of those principles is that nothing can be asserted as rational, if it contains a known logical fallacy.
Spirit of Light
Be who ever you want
Can I ask what the strawman was in my reply?
I kind of have not understood the use of strawman you use.
Spirit of Light
Be who ever you want
I dont know
I can only speak for my personal faith in a God, but can not answer for how others should or should not believe
KWED
Scratching head, scratching knee
The problem that you are not addressing is the issue of the two Jesuses.
1. The historical character who is referred to in some near contemporary texts. This Jesus (or someone like it) probably existed.
2. The magical character for whom there is no corroborative references nor evidence. This Jesus almost certainly did not exist.
You won't find many people arguing with 1., but there is nothing to support 2.
Well i think if someone makes a bold statement that can only be read as fact then they should be able to back up that statement.
It seems however that many don't think the same way.
To me all that means is they have nothing but flim flam and it does their credibility no good whatsoever.
KWED
Scratching head, scratching knee
Not having a body is not the issue. It is the lack of any evidence for the magic, or any evidence that magic even exists. A person on whom the Biblical Jesus was based probably existed. The Jesus described in the Bible did not.Atheists may disagree with you if you dont have a body of Jesus you can show them as evidence...Just saying
KWED
Scratching head, scratching knee
The body of Jesus went the same way as the bodies of most people who died many centuries ago, depending on the method of disposal.
KWED
Scratching head, scratching knee
Are you high?
Sheldon
Veteran Member
Here:
Why would an atheist set a different standard for accepting an historical Jesus, than they accept for any other historical figure?
KWED
Scratching head, scratching knee
It is not something that is within the scope of science.
KWED
Scratching head, scratching knee
The Quran fundamentally contradicts the Bible on the issue of Jesus.
They can't both be right...but they can both be wrong.
Is that a rule?