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Featured Proof of Existence

Discussion in 'Theological Concepts' started by dingdao, Mar 7, 2019.

  1. sealchan

    sealchan Well-Known Member

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    That explains it far better than I attempted to, thanks!

    I work in IT and this all came up from my familiarity with the basics of encrypted communications.

    The key technologies exploited here that are much better developed in humans than AI include:
    • Image processing
    • Human emotional expression interpretation
    • Metaphorical production and interpretation
    • Cross-referencing all of the above
    Metaphorical production is a rich source of information in humans as it relies, predominantly on our experience of cognition in the context of the human body with its motor and sense organs within a world of physical realities which define possibilities. The human brain thinks like a brain in a body in a world and all this processing gives us a level of sophistication in interpreting human utterances that is very hard for any AI these days to keep up with.

    If this ever needed to be a practical skill, then I think that many people could develop a skill at it based on their natural proclivities as having a human brain which does this all the time although we hardly notice. My own initial conversation example came about almost automatically as my unconscious knew better than my own conscious understanding what I was attempting to do.
     
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  2. dybmh

    dybmh Terminal Optimist
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  3. sealchan

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    Of course the irony of this approach is that it is modelled after the basic method used by two computer ("AI") programs to authenticate the identity of each other. The difference is, as I mentioned, the "computing technologies" utilized.
     
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    Done.
     
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    Information Technology...

    But you added a picture so now do I have to authenticate as a non-AI as well? :p

    Maybe for this exchange we can leave it as unencrypted. :)

    Okay I get the image reference! (I did a google search on "IT clown"). I will attempt a response...

    Certainly for many IT is a scary topic which children are sucked into intuitively and caught in its web before they know it. Sometimes, for the naive, it is a subterranean labyrinth where what seems friendly on the surface is a spoof of something much more malevolent.
     
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    Yup. And...

    TheGoogle knows the challenge/response/shared-key for "Am I in you flock" and "Thud Hitchhikers Guide", so those are spoiled.

    Which is why multiple posts, establishing rapport, developing layers of decreasing bot-i-tude is more secure than the 2-factor shared key approach.
     
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    You're scaring me... SealChan, I work in IT too... and guess what, dingdao probably did too. 90% sure.
     
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    Handshake Acknowledged and Accepted fellow hooman.
     
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  9. dingdao

    dingdao The eternal Tao cannot be told - Tao Te Ching

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    Congratulations, You have managed to accurately describe why it works, when it works. To me, having a schoolroom backdrop would have been obvious. Then again, whale would not have worked. 42 with mice in the picture would have. It's just what makes an impression on you, especially years later.
     
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  10. dingdao

    dingdao The eternal Tao cannot be told - Tao Te Ching

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    What I am attempting to do is to establish the the entity you are communicating with is a person.
    Just how real the things are that people create is open to debate.
     
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    Finding a "key" then becomes its own challenge, perhaps going back to the need for shared specialized knowledge. Getting lazy and using the same key over and over would probably open the door for automation to train up to improve its ability to spoof non-bot-ness. People who share cultural backgrounds growing up closer in time and under similar educational circumstances in similar regions will probably have more in common. You would need key servers that could suggest keys between individuals perhaps. Part of the price paid for "bot-avoidance" I suppose should that become a thing.
     
  12. dingdao

    dingdao The eternal Tao cannot be told - Tao Te Ching

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    I did indeed work in IT. Some time in Real Time, and a termcap to my credit. I know, ancient technology.
    Now this I have a taste for.
     
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    dingdao The eternal Tao cannot be told - Tao Te Ching

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    Bingo
     
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    As I wrote, prove you exist, I'll prove God exists in Jesus. YOU have the simpler burden.
     
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    dingdao The eternal Tao cannot be told - Tao Te Ching

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    I don't particularly care if you believe in me or not. That wasn't the game.
     
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    Welp, I have successfully answered to this Captcha things. Uhhh sometimes. Some days, I'm half asleep or the traffic light overlaps on edges and it is not clear whether that counts or not.

    Of course, a real bot designed for that program would always get through.
     
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