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Discussion in 'Theological Concepts' started by dingdao, Mar 7, 2019.

  1. SalixIncendium

    SalixIncendium सच्चितानन्द
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    Or you're from the machine world and the ability for you to bypass captcha is merely another system of control. ;)
     
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    It belatedly occurs to me that this question was addressed with considerable intelligence by Philip K. Dick in Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep? ─ how can you tell a replicant from a human? This became the movie Blade Runner, where the question is also central. You may recall the scene between Leon, the suspected replicant, and Holden, conducting the test:
    HOLDEN
    Know what a turtle is?
    LEON
    Of course.
    HOLDEN
    Same thing.
    LEON
    I never seen a turtle.
    He sees Holden’s patience is wearing thin.
    LEON
    But I understand what you mean.
    HOLDEN
    You reach down and flip the tortoise over on its back, Leon.
    Keeping an eye on his subject, Holden notes the dials in the Voight-Kampff. One of the needles quivers slightly.
    However, the novel includes a different point ─ that the manufacturers of replicants stand to gain financially if their replicants are indeed indistinguishable, so every time a better test is devised, the manufacturer includes the antidote in the next model.

    It's an example of evolution.

    Heh heh heh ...
     
  3. Salvador

    Salvador RF's Swedenborgian

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    If robots could bypass captcha, then there'd likely be spam bots all over this forum. Right?
     
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    Metaphors are very common in our language but hard for computers to emulate. I dont think specialized knowledge is as necessary as creative thinking.

    Put another way...it is like changing the context of interaction in a way that heightens the need for a shared bodily experience.

    For instance to say that it would require two people to share detailed knowledge in s common area...that is like using a private key to decrypt a message encrypted with a shared public key. But the key would be passed in the conversation itself as part of it.

    Person A: Are you a bot?
    Person B: Who wants to know?
    A: Lets play in the key of "Mary had a little lamb..."
    B: Okay.
    A: Show me your snow
    B: I will follow you but I am still sheepish
    A: Is that because of your moral scruples or fear of recognition for what you are?

    Such an exchange would establish that the two individuals could metaphorically reference a children's rhyme while also discussing their mutual problem of wanting to confirm each others identity. One person would offer the key while both would have to respond in that keys metaphorical universe. One or two rounds of adequate responses should suffice.
     
  5. dybmh

    dybmh Terminal Optimist
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    AHA! So, if I'm already at 92%. If I can determine areas where you and I share detailed knowledge it would push me up a few points...

    maybe that would be the "gateless-gate" towards 100% you DOG!

    ( too obscure? too Buddhist? but... at least it's chinese )

    "gateless gate, DOG, not Buddhist, at least it's chinese" are all contrived metaphors in areas where you and I share detailed knowledge that remain on-topic to my never-giving-up and grade-grubbing on proving I-AM-NOT-BOT.... respectfully with humor and style :)

    +5%?
     
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  6. dingdao

    dingdao The eternal Tao cannot be told - Tao Te Ching

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    While I may accept your statement at face value, proving it over net is another thing.
     
  7. dingdao

    dingdao The eternal Tao cannot be told - Tao Te Ching

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    I really expect that test to be phased out within 5 years. AI isn't far from there.
     
  8. dingdao

    dingdao The eternal Tao cannot be told - Tao Te Ching

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  9. ChristineM

    ChristineM "Be strong" I whispered to my coffee.
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    I love the response "What?" and use it quote often, it works for me.
     
  10. dingdao

    dingdao The eternal Tao cannot be told - Tao Te Ching

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    If you look at a DOG in the mirror, what do you see?
    95%
     
  11. dingdao

    dingdao The eternal Tao cannot be told - Tao Te Ching

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  12. ChristineM

    ChristineM "Be strong" I whispered to my coffee.
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    What?
     
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  13. dybmh

    dybmh Terminal Optimist
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    I see nothing
     
  14. dybmh

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    I have admit @ChristineM 's zen-like approach is way way lower effort than mine.

    I kinda think she may end up being the winner.

    just sayin

    @dingdao, demonstration of humility, +1%?
     
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  15. ChristineM

    ChristineM "Be strong" I whispered to my coffee.
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    Perhaps cleaning the mirror would help
     
  16. ChristineM

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    I am touched, emotional even, i thank you for your insight ;-)
     
  17. dybmh

    dybmh Terminal Optimist
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    @dingdoa,

    I did catch your "vibe" on the mirror question...

    i think...

    we are totally on the same wavelength.

    but

    i kinda wanna hold out to use that till I'm approaching 97% not-bot-i-tude. Cause, that's a one-and-done tactic best saved for the last push to 100%...
     
  18. dybmh

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    i am nothing, and so is the DOG...
     
  19. dybmh

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    3.... 2.... 1....

    cue @ChristineM 's response....

    "What?"
     
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  20. ChristineM

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    Ahh, self awareness, a sure sign.

    Sign of what i do not know but its sure
     
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