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Featured Proof of Existence

Discussion in 'Theological Concepts' started by dingdao, Mar 7, 2019.

  1. dybmh

    dybmh Terminal Optimist
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    Ascend???
    Selling yourself short???

    Recognizing an unintentional pun, +2.5%. PrettyPlease.
     
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    I understand, an even shared this idea for a time, so while I'm not overly critical of it, it's just an idea though.

    Everything you can be aware of is physical. Ok, so this set you up as non-physical since it's accepted you can't be aware of yourself. This IMO begs the question since it's already decided that anything you are aware of can't be you.

    Different idea, I am the result of a physical process. I can be aware of the process that creates my consciousness.

    I'm not saying one is correct and the other isn't. Just the idea itself affects our experience of reality and we rely on those experiences to decide what seems true to us.
     
  3. dingdao

    dingdao The eternal Tao cannot be told - Tao Te Ching

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    92% You're getting into diminishing returns.
     
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    While I agree with most of your statements, I am an adherent to "Only the self is knowable".
     
  5. dingdao

    dingdao The eternal Tao cannot be told - Tao Te Ching

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    We're engaged in an anti-Turing thought experiment. Don't knock it, it's how Einstein laid the groundwork for quantum entanglement. I bet he's rolling over in his grave.
     
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    dybmh Terminal Optimist
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    Ok... I have an idea that's percolating....

    It hasn't completely finished brewing yet... I'll reply once it's ready....
     
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    Let's see, you need more proof, but I'm approaching diminishing returns...

    That means I need to change tactics.

    I'm thinking it needs to introduce randomness, it needs to be connected to the non-digital world,

    It needs to be different from my previous evidence I have provided, but it can't be too different, because that could be forged by AI.

    Something(s) big...

    And... You did give me a hint of what you're looking for in a previous reply to another post.

    Oh yeah... I've got a couple ideas.... But first

    More coffee...
     
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    Captcha rules!

    What bot would say that? ;)
     
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    I think that Douglas Hofstadter agree that a series of creative metaphoric references interchanged between two conversants would quickly disprove bot/AI was a part of that exchange.
     
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    I think I am a bot a lot, but it's not a thought I like a lot.
    I hope you quote my little poem and show 'em all...
    I'm not a bot.
     
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    Humans do metaphors better than bots...my idea is an exchange of creatively contrived metaphors that remain on topic.
     
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    Yes, but why would being a bot entail non-existence? What do you mean by "existence?" Do you assume that for something to exist, there must be direct evidence of it? What exactly is direct evidence?

    Personally, I never even ask the question "does X exist." The answer is always yes if I am able to ask the question. The real question to ask is "in what manner do I experience X?" or "in what manner does X exist?"
     
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  13. dingdao

    dingdao The eternal Tao cannot be told - Tao Te Ching

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    80% The problem is that those two would need detailed knowledge in a common area.
     
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    dingdao The eternal Tao cannot be told - Tao Te Ching

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    OK, time to define terms.
    We are only discussing apparent life on the net.
    The term "man made" is hazardous because it could include children.
    The term "organic life" is probably where I want to go.
    Do you want to argue for "electronic life" to describe AI?
    How about "fictional existence" to include themes by Heinlein, et al.
    The original intent was to define "existence" as any entity that exists outside of electrons only.
    However, that technically includes fictional existence.
    So, for the purposes of this discussion, you are said to exist if you are organic life.
    99%
     
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    I am a bot. :oops:
     
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    dingdao The eternal Tao cannot be told - Tao Te Ching

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    "The Einstein Podolski Rosen Thought Paradox" was published in 1937. It was an attempt to disprove Quantum Mechanics. Instead John S. Bell saw it and expanded it into "On The Einstein Podolski Rosen Thought Paradox" in 1964. This is referred to as Bell's Theorem, the commonly acknowledged basis for Quantum Entanglement.
     
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    dingdao The eternal Tao cannot be told - Tao Te Ching

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    Sorry, I can't prove you are more intelligent then you are willing to show.
     
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    I can do the biological things ─

    grow from zygote to adult

    convert certain parts of animals and vegetables into nutrition ie bio-power, symbiotically harnessing microorganisms for the process,

    with a suitable mate, reproduce my kind biologically

    ... that kind of thing.
     
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    When I registered for this forum or perhaps it was another forum, I had to do a captcha test to prove I wasn't a spam bot: I passed this test; which proves I'm human instead of a computer or robot.
     
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