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Featured Proof for the existence of the Abrahamic god?

Discussion in 'Science and Religion' started by occams.rzr, Mar 19, 2016.

  1. occams.rzr

    occams.rzr Razerian-barbologist

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    1. No anecdotes (personal events)
    2. No long commentaries.
    3. Use scientific evidence.
    4. Preaching is not evidence, but simply restating your claim.
    5. No circular logic. (Bible is true because it says so.)
     
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  2. Terese

    Terese Mangalam Pundarikakshah
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    The Bible and the Old Testament aren't infallible, as they were written by ordinary men. Thus, what ever is written in them can be disregarded, including the Abrahamic God.
     
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  3. wizanda

    wizanda One Accepts All Religious Texts
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    The prophets add up over a few thousand years, to show what will occur...

    Now you could understand someone fabricating fulfillment of prophecies; yet not to detrimentally cut off, and destroy themselves in the process on purpose.

    So based on that data you could perceive there was something outside of time, informing them of this information. :innocent:
     
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    Couldn't the same be said for the sacred writings of your religion, then? :shrug:
     
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  5. Terese

    Terese Mangalam Pundarikakshah
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    Of course not, otherwise I wouldn't have written this. The Vedas were revealed to sadhus through intense meditation, which they in turn, divinely inspired, created the Upanishads.The Bhagavad Gita was being recited to Dhritarashtra by Sanjaya, who heard it from Sri Krishna as he was giving the discourse to Arjuna, and the Srimad Bhagavatam and the Puranas were written by Veda Vyasa, an incarnation of Narayana.
     
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    DawudTalut Peace be upon you.

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    Peace be on you.
    Intelligent and guided evolution shows there should be Maker.
    Revelation, purity and blessings tells God exists - the God of all humanity and universes.
     
  7. Saint Frankenstein

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    That's no different from members of Abrahamic religions claiming that the Bible was written by men under the influence of God and who were in contact with him (prophets). So if we can disregard the Bible (and Qur'an) as fallible because they were written by ordinary men, the same can be said about your religion's holy texts.
     
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  8. Terese

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    The difference between our scriptures is that our ones have been recited since time immemorial, in many different universes. Our universe is no exception. The Bible was written after the death of Jesus. Not during. It is a wonderful message, but it's not the butter of Sri Krishna.
     
  9. Saint Frankenstein

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    Come on, really? You're not sounding any different from a preacher right now. You can't make unprovable faith-based claims about your own holy texts and then just dismiss the claims of other religions about their holy texts, merely because they're not of your own favorite religion. That's an illogical double-standard. They have just as much historical, scientific and scholarly evidence to back up their claims about their holy texts as you do about yours.
     
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  10. Terese

    Terese Mangalam Pundarikakshah
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    I sure did sound obnoxious.
     
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  11. Saint Frankenstein

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    Kudos for catching yourself, though.
     
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    Let me get this straight. Your thread title indicates that you want proof for the existence of the one-god in the Bible, but then you make a list of demands that renders this impossible.

    Apologies, but why did you create this thread?
     
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    Not nearly as obnoxious as some of the Abrahamics I have seen & heard.
    AND
    As someone who has studied both Abrahamic and Dharmic writings, it is clear(to me) that Abrahamic writings barely scratch the surface in my search for Truth/God. Although, I must say that my study of Torah did inspire me to start my searching journey..
     
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  14. 'mud

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    The words written by mere humans as the treatise of any 'god's' wishes,
    are as pointless as the directions taken by the direction of a human's thinking.
    That represents all religion's words.......Or something like that !
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  15. Unveiled Artist

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    What you and other proof-wanters must understand and accept sometime soon hopefully is this list you have above IS the proof for many religious thought.

    It is like asking us to proof that there is gravity but we cant

    1. Use science
    2. Use personal experience and experiment
    3. Use guessing or commentary (hypotheticals for example)
    4. All that jazz

    Yet, to proof gravity exist you need some of these things namely science and experiment to proof it true for others. If you exclude using these methods of proof, you have no support for the argument you are trying to defend: proove gravity is real.

    Likewise with religion, by what means or methods should the religious use if they dont have their experiences, guessing (faith), sycronicity, and even circular knowlege for some to go by?

    How can science be a method for something not meant to be tested (to want-proof folks) nor can be proven (to believers too) by science?

    Our believes are what we associste the workings of the universe (according to abraham god). In and of itself, the universe does not say god exist without abrahamic from adam to people today interpretation of human origin.

    It starts with humans. We arent the center of the universe.

    Give it up man.
     
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  16. Ouroboros

    Ouroboros Coincidentia oppositorum
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    I answered "no". Do you still want the answer to these points, but for why the Abrahamic God doesn't exist?
     
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  17. Guy Threepwood

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    Personal experiences are our greatest proof of anything, everything else is taking somebody's word for it,

    Having said that, there are other forms of evidence we can all consider for God, but not proof, that has to be discovered personally- how else could it ever work?
     
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  18. Unveiled Artist

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    Pardon.

    It only shows there is a maker from the perspective and interpretation from the believer.

    For example, I know this cell phone has s creator not because it says, say "made in China", but because I undertand how you can take certain material, wires, whatever they use works together to create a phone. I know gravity exist because when I drop the phone, it falls. However, if we were born in space and not on earth, we'd have no sense nor belief that gravity exist And it does.

    Creator-belief is not like my cell phone example.

    If a creator exist, he would not just have created the origin but hed continue to create (without our help) babies, growth of plants, etc.

    Yet, he only stops at our origin.

    We create babies
    We water plants to grow
    Etc.

    God does nothing. If he did, we wouldnt need sperm/egg nor water and mulch. Wed just say "hey god. Make it happen" and poof, creation.

    God of Abraham cant be prooven outside of the list the OP gave. This commentary and observation can not be proven by science nor be shown point blank. We know by "personal" experience.

    How do I know its human interpretation of god of abraham existence and not fact?

    Gravity is universal all around the world
    Math is universal all around the world
    Proven science (not theory) is universal

    And so on.

    God of abraham is Not universal. A lot of people dont even know Muslim, Judaism, and/or christianity exist (taking out generizations that everyone should know)

    Therefore it cannot be proven by evolotion. Only in the minds, hearts, and experiences of believers.

    Why are believers trying to proove their god is real by science when religion isnt based on science?
     
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  19. occams.rzr

    occams.rzr Razerian-barbologist

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    I did not make it impossible. Unless god can only be proven through subjective reasoning. I want scientific evidence, is that too much to ask?
     
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    occams.rzr Razerian-barbologist

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    But personal experience is subjective. If I was a Muslim, I could say the same things for Allah.
     
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