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Discussion in 'Same Faith Debates' started by Desert Snake, Sep 21, 2019.

  1. Desert Snake

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    Jesus, the 'man', if a human, isn't a deified man. Why? Because He always separated the 'god aspect', that He represented, and the 'man aspect'. Therefore, He did not expect to become a 'god'.

    Jesus said 'I and the father are one', this either means, the 'same spirit', the Lord, inhabiting a human body, or, it means, the 'representative', the word of god.
    Neither of these options, mean a 'deified human', because Jesus is already one, with the father, prior to resurrection.

    Jesus as a 'man', deified after resurrection, makes two g-ds, not one, therefore that doesn't work, either.

    So, what is your answer? How are you not deriving either two g-ds, or, the incarnation of the Lord can work, however that makes it two beings, again.

    Discuss and debate
     
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    When Jesus says he and the Father are one, then he means that literally. So that means that the Father is Jesus and Jesus is the Father.
    But how should we imagine this? Was God dead? Did God feel pain?
    I try to explain it in a comparison.
    Maybe you've sat in front of a PC and played or at least watched a video game where you take on the role of a character in that game. A few examples are TES5: Skyrim, Garry's Mod, Battlefield 4,... So if the concept is completely alien to you, now would be the possibility to get a little understanding about it. In the following I will explain everything else with the example of Battlefield 4.
    Battlefield 4 (BF4) is a so-called first person shooter, where you fight from the perspective of a soldier with and against other players to achieve various types of goals. So when I play BF4 I am that soldier on the battlefield. If I'm lying on the ground (as the character) and playing with other people, one of whom is a paramedic who's close to me, I'll ask them if they can help me and not if they can help my character, because while we're in the game, as mentioned above, we're those soldiers on the battlefield. Similarly, while playing, I don't say "The soldier from whose perspective I play this game died," but "I died," even though I'm still alive as a real person.
    This concept can now easily be transferred to the Trinity. So when it is said that God is Jesus, it means, similar to BF4, that God lives from the perspective of man Jesus (compared to BF4 "playing from the perspective of a soldier") and therefore can die in this form as in BF4, without this having a significant influence on his real being (compared to BF4, see above "Similarly, I do not say "the soldier from whose perspective I play this game died", but "I died", although I am still alive as a real person").
     
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    I thought this was settled?
    Why is it hard to accept that Jesus is not God?
    When the pages of the Bible says this whole truth about him?
    Jesus is the Son of God, Lord and Messiah
    So here we go again....
    Yay!

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    Don't mind the images or pictures, because that how I inject my emotions to my post.
    I am human in every sense and part of me is the great sense of humor


    It is very true that Jesus is sinless, did not utter any word of deceit, did not lie.
    But more than that Jesus isn't defiled as you say because....
    Ooops, I don't want to inject any opinion but rather I would take the answer of the question from the Bible.


    Romans 5:17-19 New International Version (NIV)

    For if, by the trespass of the one man, death reigned through that one man, how much more will those who receive God’s abundant provision of grace and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man, Jesus Christ!

    Consequently, just as one trespass resulted in condemnation for all people, so also one righteous act resulted in justification and life for all people. For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.

    Did the bible say - Jesus Christ is the one God? No it did not.
    Did the bible say - the obedience of the one God the many will be made righteous? No it did not.
    Jesus Christ is the one man, whose obedience, many will be made righteous.
    And to firmly resolve that Paul preached Jesus Christ is a man and not God,
    it would be better to read the preceding verses and from there you draw your own conclusion

    Romans 5:12-15 New International Version (NIV)
    Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned—

    To be sure, sin was in the world before the law was given, but sin is not charged against anyone’s account where there is no law. Nevertheless, death reigned from the time of Adam to the time of Moses, even over those who did not sin by breaking a command, as did Adam, who is a pattern of the one to come.

    But the gift is not like the trespass. For if the many died by the trespass of the one man, how much more did God’s grace and the gift that came by the grace of the one man, Jesus Christ, overflow to the many!

    Isn't this a familiar saying? It is about unity.
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    Did Jesus admit divinity when He said “I and My Father are one” in John 10:30?

    THE proponents of the Christ-is-God theology so confidently believe that Jesus’ statement in John 10:30 is an admission of His “divinity.” However, a careful study of the verse itself, comparing it with the truth written in other verses of the Bible, and an analysis of the Greek text of the verse will show us the error of believing that John 10:30 confirms the so-called “divinity” of the Lord Jesus Christ.

    WHAT THE CONTEXT SAYS
    If a person has an open-mind for truth, in just a glance of John 10:30 he can immediately see that it was only the opinion or interpretation of those believing that Jesus is God in saying that this verse confirms that Jesus is God. Nothing in the verse that says “Jesus Christ is God”:

    John 10:30 NKJV
    “I and My Father are one.”

    Clearly, nowhere in the verse says that “Jesus is God.” It is only their interpretation (or should we say misinterpretation) or conclusion that the verse confirms that Jesus is God. Actually, if we carefully study the context, it clearly shows that Jesus is not talking about his “divinity.” Let us take a look of the previous verses of John 10:30:

    John 10:27-28 NKJV
    “My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand.”

    Here, the Lord Jesus promise that He will give His “sheep” eternal life, and “they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand.” Then in the next verse (verse 29), this is what He said:

    John 10:29 NKJV
    “My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father's hand.”

    The Lord Jesus said in verse 28 that “they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand.” And in verse 29, He also said, “no one is able to snatch them out of My Father's hand.” Thus, Jesus concluded in verse 30:

    John 10:30 NKJV
    “I and My Father are one.”

    Thus, the previous verses (verses 27-29) explained why Jesus said, “I and My Father are one.” Jesus and His Father (the one He referred to in John 17:1-3 as the “one and only true God) ARE ONE because as much as no one can snatch the “sheep” from His hand, also no one is able to snatch them out of His Father's hand. Therefore, the context of the verse shows us that Jesus is not talking about his alleged “divinity”, but He is talking about how He and His Father will take care of His “sheep” – no one can snatch them from their hands.

    WHAT OTHER TRANSLATIONS OF THIS VERSE SAY


    THE MESSAGE:
    “I and the Father are one heart and mind.”

    CONTEMPORARY ENGLISH VERSION:
    “I am one with the Father.”

    SIMPLE ENGLISH BIBLE:
    “My Father and I are united.”

    LAMSA TRANSLATION:
    “I and My Father are of one accord.”


    John 10:30 NKJV
    “I and My Father are one.”

    The interpretation or conclusion of the proponents of “Christ is God” regarding Jesus’ statement in John 10:30 are not only unscriptural but also AGAINST THE TRUTH written in the Bible.


    Are Jesus and the Father one In Number?

    Nowhere in the verse that Jesus said “I and My Father are one IN NUMBER.” Actually, the interpretation that when Jesus said “I and my Father” means they are “one in number” contradicts the very words of the Lord Jesus in John 8:16-18:

    John 8:16-18 Amplified
    “Yet even if I do judge, My judgment is true [My decision is right]; for I am not alone [in making it], but [there are two of Us] I and the Father, Who sent Me.
    “In your [own] Law it is written that the testimony (evidence) of two persons is reliable and valid. [Deut. 19:15.]
    “I am One [of the Two] bearing testimony concerning Myself; and My Father, Who sent Me, He also testifies about Me.”

    Here, it is clear that Jesus and the Father are NOT ONE in number. Jesus explicitly said, “…for I am not alone [in making it], but [there are two of us] I and the Father…”


    Are Jesus and the Father one in state of being?

    It is also wrong to say that when the Lord Jesus said “I and My Father are one” they are one in nature or state of being. Jesus Himself explicitly said that the Father is spirit:

    John 4:23-24 NKJV
    “But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for the Father is seeking such to worship Him. God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.”

    The Lord Jesus Christ attests that the Father is “spirit”, while Jesus Himself also attests that a spirit has no flesh and bones which He has:

    Luke 24:38-39 NKJV
    “And He said to them, "Why are you troubled? And why do doubts arise in your hearts? Behold My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself. Handle Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see I have.’”

    Although Jesus is now in heaven, He continues to be flesh and bones or human in nature. This is what the Bible says regarding the one at God’s right hand in heaven:

    Psalms 80:17 NKJV
    “Let Your hand be upon the man of Your right hand, Upon the son of man whom You made strong for Yourself.”

    Jesus is the one referred to as the Man at God’s right hand:

    Colossians 3:1 NKJV
    “If then you were raised with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ is, sitting at the right hand of God.”


    Are Jesus and the Father one in power and authority?

    In the previous verse of John 10:30, this is what Jesus said:

    John 10:29 NKJV
    “My Father, who has given them to Me, IS GREATER THAN ALL; and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father's hand.” (Emphasis mine)

    Jesus clearly said in John 10:29 that the Father is greater than all. Is Jesus co-equal of the Father? This is what Jesus Himself attested:

    John 14:28 Amplified
    “You heard Me tell you, I am going away and I am coming [back] to you. If you [really] loved Me, you would have been glad, because I am going to the Father; for the Father is greater and mightier than I am.”


    Luke 22:67-69 New International Version (NIV)
    “If you are the Messiah,” they said, “tell us.”

    Jesus answered, “If I tell you, you will not believe me, and if I asked you, you would not answer. But from now on, the Son of Man will be seated at the right hand of the mighty God.”

    Did Jesus say God the Son will be seated at the right hand of the mighty God? No he did not.
    Jesus said he is the Son of Man and after the resurrection he was seated a the right hand of the might God.


    There cannot be two Gods, there is only one God
    and this was preached by the Lord Jesus Christ himself
    Again from the Bible:

    John 17:1-3 New International Version (NIV)
    After Jesus said this, he looked toward heaven and prayed:

    “Father, the hour has come. Glorify your Son, that your Son may glorify you. For you granted him authority over all people that he might give eternal life to all those you have given him. Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

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    Where was Jesus looking at? He looked toward heaven
    What was he doing? He prayed.
    Was he praying to himself? No.
    Was he praying to the Holy Spirit? No.
    To whom was he praying? the Father.
    What did he say about the Father? That people know you
    As what One of the trinity gods? No.
    Who is the Father according to Jesus Christ? The Only True God
    Why is that important? Because this knowledge gives eternal life.
    What is the result if I recognize Jesus as God also? Then you just made Jesus a liar.
    And so? You will not have eternal life
     
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    I think one aspect of Jesus' divinity relates to the doctrine of redemption. It wasn't just anybody offended by sin, but a God and only another equal to the Offended is acceptable. If by Incarnation is meant God becoming one with us, two gods are not meant,
     
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    When people explain based on their own opinions, assumptions and incorporate other foreign concepts instead of using the Scriptures, then we would really make a different Jesus, won't we?

    Say for example the word "incarnation" - that word is not found in the Bible.

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    In Hinduism, incarnation refers to its rebirth doctrine, and in its theistic traditions to avatar.[10] Avatar literally means "descent, alight, to make one's appearance",[11] and refers to the embodiment of the essence of a superhuman being or a deity in another form.[12] The word also implies "to overcome, to remove, to bring down, to cross something".[11] In Hindu traditions, the "crossing or coming down" is symbolism, states Daniel Bassuk, of the divine descent from "eternity into the temporal realm, from unconditioned to the conditioned, from infinitude to finitude".[13] An avatar, states Justin Edwards Abbott, is a saguna (with form, attributes) embodiment of the nirguna Brahman or Atman (soul).[14]

    Incarnation - Wikipedia

    Perhaps the Jesus you mentioned is not the Jesus of the Bible.
    As someone said Jesus is a Muslim, maybe your Jesus is a Hindu

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    And a different Jesus can be made by having a different gospel
    A different gospel which the apostles did not preach.
    And that is written clearly in the Bible

    2 Corinthians 11:4 New International Version (NIV)
    For if someone comes to you and preaches a Jesus other than the Jesus we preached, or if you receive a different spirit from the Spirit you received, or a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it easily enough.
     
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    I thought that was reincarnation.

    The Christian Scriptures are the result of the post Resurrection theology and Christology of the Evangelists. .
     
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    Desert Snake,
    Do you really want to know the truth, or are you just trying to be disruptive?
    If you will just listen, I can explain what the different sayings in the Bible mean.
    The term God has several meanings! It can mean the Only True God, it can mean a lesser god, or even men, when in a position that has authority over a person’s life or death.
    The Bible speaks of Jesus as being a god, several times, but not the Only True God, That God is the Almighty, Omniscient, the only Life-giver, Immortal, the Creator of the Heavens and the earth and all the things in them, Genesis 1:1, 1Timothy 1:17, Acts 17:24, Psalms 36:9, Job 36:4, John 17:3.
    The Bible also mentions Jesus as a god, a lesser god, the son of The Almighty God. The Bible even says that Jesus is a mighty god, but not The Almighty God, Isaiah 9:6. In the Hebrew Scriptures, mighty god is El Gabbohr, Almighty God is El Shaddai, there is an infinite difference between a mighty god and The Almighty God. Jesus Name in heaven, before he came to earth, was Michael, who was The Archangel, 1Thessalonians 4:16, Daniel 10:21, 12:1, Revelation 12:7-10, John 1:1,2. Jesus is seated at the right hand of God, Colossians 3:1, Hebrews 12:2.
    It is impossible for Jesus and God to be the same person. Jesus died, God is Immortal, He cannot die, 1Timothy 1:17. Jesus was made lower that the Angels, Hebrews 2:9, 2Peter 2:11. Two places in the Holy Scriptures show Jesus coming in to God Who is sitting on His Throne, Daniel 7:13,14, Revelation 5:1-8..
    Jesus Himself said, The Father is greater than I am, John 14:28.
    Agape!!!
     
  8. Desert Snake

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    Yes, that is a concept to be considered, Scripturally. However that would mean , 'not a deified man', it would seem to mean, a separation of man aspect, and Lord aspect, Lord aspect resumes Lordship. So the persona, isn't the human aspect.
     
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    'G-d' without specification never means a man.
    You don't know the basics of the words , the deific words, so your 'explanations', are incorrect, and would be incorrect whether one is an atheist, a pagan, a jew, a christian, or worshipping a wooden idol, in your closet.
    'G-d', without description, means "the biblical g-d'.

    You obviously aren't jewish, as you would realize that your theory didn't make sense, as soon as you read Genesis 1:26


    Jesus, the subject of this discussion, is called the 'Lord'.

    This name and title is used in the Bible, for,
    The Tetragrammaton, JHVH,
    Adonai
    [
    Thusly, because Jesus is called 'Lord', it means 'g-d', because the 'Lord', is called g-d.


    High angels and 'lesser' 'g-ds', are sometimes called 'g-ds', with specification. Not, without, specification.
     
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    If ones deity, is the Tetragrammaton, and you don't believe Jesus is God, then you can't be a bible literalist.
    1 Corinthians 8:6
    [One Lord, Jesus Christ

    2 Corinthians 6:18
    [Lord Almighty

    Matthew 22:37
    [Lord your God


    So, if Jesus is 'another deity', then it would mean that Jesus is the deity of the Jesus followers, regardless.

    Ie, 'one Lord, Jesus Christ, '.
     
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    Reincarnation with its prefix re-

    Reincarnation is the philosophical or religious concept that the non-physical essence of a living being starts a new life in a different physical form or body after biological death. It is also called rebirth or transmigration, and is a part of the Saṃsāra doctrine of cyclic existence.[1][2] It is a central tenet of Indian religions, namely Jainism, Buddhism, Sikhism and Hinduism, although there are Hindu groups that do not believe in reincarnation but believe in an afterlife.[2][3][4][5] A belief in rebirth/metempsychosis was held by Greek historic figures, such as Pythagoras, Socrates, and Plato.[6] It is also a common belief of various ancient and modern religions such as Spiritism, Theosophy, and Eckankar, and as an esoteric belief in many streams of Orthodox Judaism. It is also found (in different forms) in some beliefs of North American Natives.[7]

    Reincarnation - Wikipedia

    But some Roman Catholic priest and some Protestant pastors injected incarnation [the one without the prefix re-] and Christianized it.

    It is without doubt that there are many things Christianized to name a few the pagan festivities like Christmas, Valentines Day, Easter thus the Christian religion became paganized. Incarnation is but one of the few things. Most likely it came from Hinduism.

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    Your Jesus could be God but my Jesus isn't God.

    I believe your Jesus is written in a....

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    The only reason why your Jesus is 50% man and 50% God
    is my Jesus is different from yours
    Or is he 99.9% God and 0.1% Man?
    Or the other way around 0.1% God and 99.9% Man?
    My Jesus is 100% Man.

    There are different versions of Jesus
    and these versions are definitely fakes
     

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    The Bible never spoke that Jesus is God.
    Sorry where?
    I am begging to see it

    Jesus is not a god, not even a lesser god.
    There is no such thing as a lesser god.
    Let us read that from the Bible:

    Numbers 23:19 New King James Version (NKJV)
    God is not a man, that He should lie,
    Nor a son of man, that He should repent.
    Has He said, and will He not do?
    Or has He spoken, and will He not make it good?

    is Jesus a man?
    Is Jesus the son of man?
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    But we have to be sure by taking our answers from the Scriptures:

    John 8:39-40 New King James Version (NKJV)
    Jesus said to them, “If you were Abraham’s children, you would do the works of Abraham. But now you seek to kill Me, a Man who has told you the truth which I heard from God. Abraham did not do this.

    Luke 22:48 New King James Version (NKJV)
    But Jesus said to him, “Judas, are you betraying the Son of Man with a kiss?”

    However....

    Jesus is no ordinary man.

    Acts 2:22 Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition (DRA)
    Ye men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you, by miracles, and wonders, and signs, which God did by him, in the midst of you, as you also know:

    Acts 2:22 Easy-to-Read Version (ERV)
    “My fellow Israelites, listen to these words: Jesus from Nazareth was a very special man. God clearly showed this to you. He proved it by the miracles, wonders, and miraculous signs he did through Jesus. You all saw these things, so you know this is true.

    Aside from being a very special man approved by God, what else is Jesus of the Bible?

    Acts 2:36 Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition (DRA)
    Therefore let all the house of Israel know most certainly, that God hath made both Lord and Christ, this same Jesus, whom you have crucified.

    Acts 2:36 Easy-to-Read Version (ERV)
    “So, all the people of Israel should know this for certain: God has made Jesus to be Lord and Messiah. He is the man you nailed to the cross!”

    Thus Jesus is Lord
    Jesus became Lord because God made him Lord
    Thus Jesus is Christ
    Jesus became Christ because God made him Christ
    God is the giver of the titles
    Jesus is the recipient of the titles
     
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    But theology has it that Jesus is God incarnate, that God emptied himself, that Jesus is not 'deified man' but wholly man.
     
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    But theology has it that Jesus is God incarnate, that God emptied himself, that Jesus is not 'deified man' but wholly man.

    And God without specification never means God the Son, always God the father.
     
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    Reincarnation is repeated 'biological death'.
     
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    There are a lot of people who said they were the incarnation of god/s
    So your theological idea is really common among pagan cultures as ancient as it could be

    Pharaohs
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    3150 BCE–30 BCE Egyptian pharaohs were kings of Ancient Egypt, and were considered gods by their culture. Their titles equated them with aspects of the likes of the hawk god Horus, the vulture goddess Nekhbet, and the cobra-goddess Wadjet. The Egyptians believed that when their Pharaoh died, he would continue to lead them in the next life, which is why his burial was grand and completed to perfection—to please him in the next life and ensure his immortality to protect his people. See List of pharaohs.[1][2]

    Japanese emperors
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    660 BCE–1945 CE Claimed, at least by some Shintoists, including government officials, to be divine descendants of the goddess Amaterasu. Hirohito, the Shōwa emperor, repudiated the "false conception" of his divinity in the Humanity Declaration in 1945.[3]

    List of people who have been considered deities - Wikipedia

    People could fancy the thought that gods could incarnate people
    And when you inject that thought to Jesus what would you get?
    Another Jesus of your own making

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    but what would that make you? 2 John 1:7 of the Bible says that:

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    Many deceivers have gone into the world who do not confess that Jesus Christ came as a human being. This kind of person is the deceiver and the antichrist.

    EXB
    [L For] Many ·false teachers [deceivers] ·are in [L have gone out into] the world now [Mark 13:5–6, 22] who do not confess that Jesus Christ came to earth ·as a human [T in the flesh]. Anyone who does not confess this is ·a false teacher [L the deceiver] and ·an enemy of Christ [L the antichrist; C one who radically opposes Christ; 1 John 2:18, 22; 4:3].

    GNT
    Many deceivers have gone out over the world, people who do not acknowledge that Jesus Christ came as a human being. Such a person is a deceiver and the Enemy of Christ.

    If these people do not confess and do not acknowledge that Jesus Christ came as a human being, who came to earth as a human what are they called?

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    These antichrists say - Jesus is not a man. He is not a human being! He is not human because he is God!
    If you have the same thinking as these people, then you have to be worried because you are 100%

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  18. Desert Snake

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    Actually that is contextual to description. Since often one might delineate

    God=the Heavenly aspect of God

    &

    Lord=the personal aspect of God,

    thusly an inference could or is often meant, when saying 'God', that it is referring to the Heavenly aspect. That isn't a theological inference, it is a descriptive inference.

    The Bible is very insistent that there is 'only one Lord'. [Correlate here to Adonai, and greek language, and english language, usage. Theologically, 'one God', is derived, with different aspects, or forms.





    Presumably in your tradition, the Tetragrammaton, is the ABBA, thusly if you say, 'g-d the incarnation', or manifestation, whatever, ie Jesus, it means that 'God', could mean Jesus, directly. [Jesus is the Lord, in other words. Hence the verses, for context,
    1 Corinthians 8:6
    Matthew 22:37
    2 Corinthians 6:18

     
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    1 Corinthians 11:3 Expanded Bible (EXB)

    But I want you to understand this: The head of every man is Christ, the head of a woman is ·the man [or her husband], and the head of Christ is God.

    1 Corinthians 11:3 Living Bible (TLB)

    But there is one matter I want to remind you about: that a wife is responsible to her husband, her husband is responsible to Christ, and Christ is responsible to God.

    1 Corinthians 11:3 Names of God Bible (NOG)
    However, I want you to realize that Christ has authority over every man, a husband has authority over his wife, and God has authority over Christ.


    Now that is in the Bible!
    It is from apostle Paul's letter to the Corinthians
    That is teaching from God
    They are not just bible references for which someone would twist things around by giving their vague interpretations.


    1 Corinthians 11:3 Good News Translation (GNT)
    But I want you to understand that Christ is supreme over every man, the husband is supreme over his wife, and God is supreme over Christ.
     
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    In christian mysticism, we note 'Jesus God', a description. That is fine, it is in a context of delineation. [It's a way of both delineating the names, and describing who Jesus is, 'God'.
     
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