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Problems vs. Solutions and criticizing (e.g.), BLM

Discussion in 'Political Debates' started by icehorse, Jul 12, 2020.

  1. Revoltingest

    Revoltingest I have the kavorka
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    That is a very strange inference.

    My approach....
    Recognize that it happens.
    Take measures to avoid & reduce it.
     
  2. mikkel_the_dane

    mikkel_the_dane Shadow Wolf's Aspie sibling

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    That is not optimistic, that is realistic.
    OMG, you are a realist. :D
     
  3. Revoltingest

    Revoltingest I have the kavorka
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    I'm both.
     
  4. mikkel_the_dane

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    So am I. But I am a hard core realist and I would't be surprised if the current problems in the USA don't end well. I.e. civil war; massive civil unrest; dictatorship and what not. As it stands I assign that a non-trivial chance of happening.

    So do you want to bet? We can try to agree on the rules, but here is what we "put on line". For one year, the winner can choose the losers avatar and signature as within forum rules.
     
  5. Revoltingest

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    Massive civil unrest is hard to quantify.
    It seems we already have that.
    The others won't happen.
     
  6. mikkel_the_dane

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    Martial law in X cities over Y population within Z days within the period of W.
    Not that hard.
     
  7. Revoltingest

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    Won't happen.
     
  8. mikkel_the_dane

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    So we now need the fine print:
    Civil war is easy, before February 1st 2021.
    Massive unrest in X cities over 1 million people with 2 weeks before February 1st 2021. State a value for X.
    Dictatorship; e.g. the suspension of the election and the declaration of Trump or Biden as the winner. Note not that SC allows some version within the constitution.
    Collapse of the USA economy as US Treasury bonds get C or lower as their ranking; before 2022.
     
  9. Revoltingest

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    I'll pass on getting caught in that briar patch.
     
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  10. mikkel_the_dane

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    Okay.
     
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    And the same ought to go for selfishness and greed. But it clearly does not. We treat greed and selfishness as if it were heroic, and wise. Piling up many times more of whatever we need to survive and thrive while others go without is something most of us aspire to doing. And should we succeed, we will consider it evidence of our innate superiority over those others who are going without. Just as we revere those who have succeeded before us. The exploiters are the superior humans, while the exploited deserve what they get. A kind of Darwinian materialist's religion.

    Meanwhile our culture and society fall steadily and increasingly into wholesale corruption and moral indifference that can only end in total collapse and disaster.
     
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    @icehorse
    @Revoltingest

    So what measures do you guys suggest to reduce police violence against Black people?

    So far, the best I got here was "eliminate all income inequality and establish a classless society", but that feels a little too far-reaching for something to be put directly into action. So what have you got?
     
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    We'd need to start by asking, honestly, "Why is there police violence against Black people?"

    If the only answer allowed into the conversation is "White people are racist!", then you aren't going to get a useful answer.
    Tom
     
  14. mikkel_the_dane

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    So what is the useful answer?
     
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    Am I currently preventing you from speaking your mind?

    Are you being repressed?
     
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    What a garbage analogy. Try again.
     
  17. icehorse

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    What a thoughtful reply, I'll your input the energy it deserves ;)
     
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    I'm sorry. Bad day and I should not have responded as such.
     
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  19. Tambourine

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    They're right, though, it was a garbage analogy.
     
  20. icehorse

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    say more, because I think "lived experience" has been taken WAY TOO FAR.
     
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