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President Clinton Insults Pope On Way to Funeral, Christians Outraged

Discussion in 'Political Debates' started by johnnys4life, Apr 8, 2005.

  1. martha

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    For the first time in my life, I truly have a bad feeling about another person that clouds my thoughts. Our former President, Bill Clinton looked directly into a camera in the face of millions and lied about the fact that he had an intimate relationship with a woman outside of his marriage. It is that fact and that fact alone that for some unknown reason to me, has pushed me away from even considering anything he says. This is the first time that I seem to hold a grudge against another human being. I really feel uncomfortable, for I am someone who forgives without question in every other instance. I don't know why I hold this anger in my thoughts for this man. Perhaps it is because I truly believed that he was an honest man. I put my faith in his ability to be truthful. When he looked into the camera and lied, it really blew me away. Do people really believe that oral sex isn't sex at all? Does Bill Clinton really believe that?

    I guess to some degree, I can understand his fear of admitting the truth in the beginning, but to outright lie and to try to be so convincing when he did it on nationwide TV just floored me. I really don't understand why I am so adament about taking my time to forgive him, as if that action were necessary at all. Frankly, who cares if I forgive him? It really bothers me that this particular incident has been so accepted and washed away by most people. It is not the action that I can't get over, it is the bald faced lie that he spoke when he looked directly into the camera and spoke to the world. This is the first time I have ever talked about my feeling towards Bill Clinton. I truly hope that some day I can get over this feeling of being deceived by this President. I feel like a real hypocrite. Here is Martha, the one who purports to love and forgive everyone, but she just can't let her anger towards this man for outright lying to her go.
    Perhaps by putting my words into print, I will be able to re-read them and focus on the reality of our weakness. At the moment it is not happening for me. Damn Bill, why did you try to be so sincere in your lie? Why did you have to go on nationwide TV to try to perpetuate this lie. It's one thing to get caught and then have remorse, but it is another thing to get caught and then try to lie your way out of it. I have no respect for anything this man has to say. For this I beg forgiveness, and understanding. Forgive me my friends, but I just had to let this out. Maybe it will heal me in the long run.
     
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  2. Bastet

    Bastet Vile Stove-Toucher

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    Martha ~ regardless of your feelings for Clinton as a person, do you think he was insulting the Pope with his comments?
     
  3. kiwimac

    kiwimac Brother Napalm of God's Love

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    Certainly there is NO lie in what Clinton is reported as saying.

    Kiwimac
     
  4. Valjean

    Valjean Veteran Member
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    I fail to see anything offensive here. In the past few days I've heard innumerable commentators "critiquing the Pope's legacy" and discussing his "mixed legacy." none of them are being accused of disrespect.
     
  5. ness

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    Ahhh yes but the commentators are not former presidents :sarcastic

    Typicall "press" trying to make something out of nothing. IMO:tsk:
     
  6. Ceridwen018

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    I'm not incredibly partial to Clinton, but I don't have a problem with him being at the funeral, and I don't have a problem with what he said. He didn't say anything that wasn't true, and I'm sure he intended for it to be completely harmless. Like everyone else, he was just trying to say something intelligent in front of the camera.
     
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  7. Studies

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    Clinton made mistakes this is true , but I do not think what he said is offensive. What I do find amuseing is the fact that Clinton is no longer president and I swear everytime he opens his mouth someone will find something nasty to say. As far as him not being the most moral of presidents ok I can say what he did in his affair with Monica was not right at all, but look at JFK he had affairs also, plus there have been other presidents that have even fathered children outside of their marriage . I say just let the man alone, I mean I for one am tired of hearing about him.
     
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  8. jamaesi

    jamaesi To Save A Lamb

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    So. That was it.

    *shrugs*

    Aren't there better and actual things to be concerned about?
     
  9. kiwimac

    kiwimac Brother Napalm of God's Love

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    Apparently not for J4l

    Kiwimac
     
  10. CaptainXeroid

    CaptainXeroid Following Christ

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    I concur, and I stayed away from this thread until I could think a bit more before I responded. I have no use for Bill Clinton and think he should have been convicted on the impeachment charges.

    For him to say anything that wasn't 100% positive on the day of the man's funeral shows what a complete imbecile Clinton is. That being said, I don't see anything malicious or incorrect about what his words, however ill-timed they were.
     
  11. Quoth The Raven

    Quoth The Raven Half Arsed Muse

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    Does it show what a complete imbecile he is, or does it show that it doesn't matter that he's not even the president any more, people are rediculously interested in what he has to say? So rediculously interested in fact that they will attempt to spin something that was basically a simple statement of 'there is good and bad in everything' into a saucer sized tornado of misplaced rage.
    Had George W said the same thing (possibly in a less intelligible manner:D ), many of the same people criticizing Clinton for this comment would have been patting him on the back for a job well done.
     
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  12. Sunstone

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    What is it about Clinton that gets so many people to foam at the mouth?
     
  13. Quoth The Raven

    Quoth The Raven Half Arsed Muse

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    Buggered if I know...I quite liked him as far as presidents go, but even so he's not the president anymore, as far as I'm aware he's not responsible for matters of policy, why does anyone give a toss what he's saying? He's not exactly a nobody, but he's not exactly a somebody, either.
     
  14. Jaymes

    Jaymes The cake is a lie

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    Probably the whole OMG SEX thing. People disliked him before that, though, didn't they? I don't remember very well, since I was too young to really be into politics when he was president.
     
  15. Jaiket

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    Former President Clinton Insults Pope on Way to Funeral?

    I haven't heard the pope objecting.
     
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  16. BUDDY

    BUDDY User of Aspercreme

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    Clinton never really showed good form anyway, so this is not surprising to me, even though it seems to be to pah and deut.:sarcastic

    The outrage shouldn't be so much at his comments, as to his tact. I wouldn't go to the funeral of a man I admire, talk about him negatively outside the door, then go in and pretend to be all sad about his passing. That is Clinton for you thouhg. Like I said, he has always been this way, so it doesn't surprise me in the slightest.
     
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  17. Valjean

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  18. linwood

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    Rubbish.

    Ditto but not sure if it`s for the same reasons.
    :)

    Clinton didn`t "insult" the Pope he gave an opinion, an opinion that many Catholics especially within the US share.


    "centralized authority in the papacy again and enforced a very conservative theological doctrine. There will be debates about that. The number of Catholics increased by 250 million on his watch. But the numbers of priests didn't. He's like all of us - he may have a mixed legacy."

    The Pope did leave a mixed legacy..

    He apologized for perseciting Jews then he turns right around and persecutes homosexuals.

    He apologised for persecuting science then he turns right around and persecutes stem cell research.

    Thats a bit mixed.

    What happened to "practice what you preach"?
     
  19. Quoth The Raven

    Quoth The Raven Half Arsed Muse

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    I went to my grandmothers funeral a couple of weeks ago and did a fairly accurate impersonation of her going off her head about something trivial - to the amusement of those who knew her - in the chapel car park, then went inside and howled my guts out. My ability to recognise that my grandmother was a mad old cow when she was in full flight and come out and demonstrate that fact doesn't necessarily mean that I had to pretend to be sad at her passing.
    I guess I'm just at a loss as to how '...like all of us he left a mixed legacy..' is really that negative a comment. If Bill had said,'He was a top bloke and everything he did was 100% correct.' people would be screaming that he's a hypocritical *******. I think this all has less to do with how people felt about the Pope than it does about how people feel about Bill Clinton.
     
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  20. kiwimac

    kiwimac Brother Napalm of God's Love

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    Clinton was right of course. The Pope did, like all human beings, leave a mixed bag of "stuff" behind him. And, frankly, he was right to say so.

    Kiwimac
     
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