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President Bide just announced a plan to purchase half a billion dose of Pfizer vaccine to donate

Discussion in 'Current Events' started by Subduction Zone, Jun 10, 2021 at 1:11 PM.

  1. Subduction Zone

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    No links. I heard it live. I am sure that some will be available soon. Since we need to fight this on a global basis the US appears to be the first to step up.
     
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    Definitely a wise move, imo. Reminds me of the Marshall Plan, which not only helped the Europeans after WWII but also the U.S. as well.
     
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    Important late breaking news! "A higher-than-expected number of young men have experienced heart inflammation after their second dose of the mRNA COVID-19 shots from Pfizer/BioNTech and Moderna, according to data from two vaccine safety monitoring systems, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) said on Thursday."
     
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  5. Subduction Zone

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    Yes, but it is still unknown whether it was caused by the vaccine or not.
    "The agency said it is still assessing the risk from the condition and has not yet concluded that there was a causal relationship between the vaccines and cases of myocarditis or pericarditis.

    While some patients required hospitalization, most have fully recovered from their symptoms, the CDC said."

    One thing that happens after a vaccination is a general increase in one's awareness of one's body. This was already a phenomenon with a huge amount of noise in the signal:

    There were 283 observed cases of heart inflammation after the second vaccine dose in those aged 16 to 24 in the VAERS data. That compares with expectations of 10-to-102 cases for that age range based on U.S. population background incidence rates, the CDC said.

    And even with that one is still far safer when vaccinated.

    Heart inflammation in young men higher than expected after Pfizer, Moderna vaccines -U.S. CDC
     
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    And all that bribe money ... ah, I mean campaign dollars from big pharma, ... didn't effect his decision at all! :)
     
  7. Lyndon

    Lyndon "Peace is the answer" quote: GOD, 2014
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    Given that the world needs 11 billion doses of vaccine to achieve 70% vaccination, 500 million is a pretty weak effort from the world's richest country.
     
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    Shame China isn't footing the bill.
     
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  9. Lyndon

    Lyndon "Peace is the answer" quote: GOD, 2014
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    I believe China has already provided 500 million doses of their varnish to various countries, so far America has done nothing but talk.
     
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    I am not terribly surprised because my religion teaches that America has a great spiritual destiny. Admittedly I was starting to wonder when that would ever come to fruition until Biden git elected, but now we are well on the way, so I am glad I did not take off to South America to retire during Trump's reign.
     
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    They should be.
     
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    Because young adult men may have a nearly 30 times greater chance of getting heart inflammation by a C.O.V.I.D-19 mRNA vaccine than being killed by C.O.V.I.D.-19, they might wish to reconsider having to get vaccinated at a young adult age.
     
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  13. Lyndon

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    that's complete garbage, the heart inflammation is very rare like the blood clots, the deaths from covid are not rare at all ages
     
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    Please let us keep in mind death by C.O.V.I.D.-19 among young adults is even way more rare, perhaps 30 times rarer than the chance of getting heart inflammation by a C.O.V.I.D.-19 mRNA vaccine.

    COVID Infection Fatality Rates by Sex and Age

    https://www.fda.gov/media/150054/download
     
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  15. Lyndon

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    You're just repeating right wing media hogwash, look up the statistics for deaths in 20-30 year olds from covid, and has anyone even died from this heart inflammation, it is a treatable condition, it isn't permanent. There have been 283 cases out of millions of doses administered to young adults, and no deaths reported. And while deaths from covid among 20-30 yr olds are less common, they're fully able to pass covid on to an unvaccinated older person who then dies from it
     
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    That conclusion cannot be drawn yet. Once again the cause of the heart inflammation may be unrelated.

    Think of it this way, you get an injection and here weird stuff about it. As a result you are extra sensitive about your health. Your heart feels weird so you go to a doctor and it is found to be inflamed. Please note, this was so mild only a few required hospitalization. If you had the same symptoms without the vaccine you may have just thought that it was just a case of heartburn and ignored it.

    How would this vaccine even produce such a reaction? It seems to be more likely to be due to hyper-awareness than an actual to be caused by the vaccine to me.
     
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    I am using current C.D.C. data, which is government controlled data.
     
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    And data is not used that way. You are using raw numbers. Correlation is not necessarily causation. Especially when it comes to medical matters. A deeper look into into the issue is required.
     
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    "With individuals who develop myocarditis, the first year is difficult as a collection of cases have shown there is a 20% mortality rate. One rare instance of myocarditis is viral fulminant myocarditis; fulminant myocarditis involves rapid onset cardiac inflammation and a mortality rate of 40-70%.,"

    Myocarditis - Wikipedia.
     
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