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Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Fool, Aug 5, 2020.

  1. Fool

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    Shouldn't christian shepherds be asking their flock to listen to the Spirit? the Spirit of the Lord(Christ) that is in them vs asking for donations and having exorbitant salaries?


    shouldn't they be encouraging their flock to know god for self?


    jeremiah 31:34
     
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  2. Unveiled Artist

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    I don't know about salaries; but, without their donations, I'd be homeless, no clothes, food, nothing right now. So, some things have to give.
     
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  3. Fool

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    that should be a given; if they have anything in excess and without requiring a conversion to their religion


    otherwise they are just creating rice, materialistic people of belief. there should be no one in need; if they follow the idea of compassionate mercy
     
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    Isn't Jesus quoted to have said there is no need for such concerns?
     
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    I think you should lay off @Unveiled Artist, the girl has needed and been given help. Now she is expressing some gratitude. Who can have a problem with that?

    If you want to ask a question the best would be who does @Fool mean when talking about "exorbitant salaries? There are a lot of "Christian shepherds" in this world and I strongly doubt if they should all be tarred with the same brush.
     
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  7. Conscious thoughts

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    Isn't the shepherd Jesus and the disciple the sheep if you think about what the Bible say?
    ( I can remember wrong of course. )
     
  8. Fool

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    Jesus was a lamb himself. he said a student can never be above his teacher it's enough that he should become like him. Jesus knew the father directly and himself as it's offspring. He also said whatever you do unto the least of these you have done unto me. So it would also work in the reverse when self understands oneness, ahmi yat ahmi

    Jesus said on that day you will know that I am in the Father the father is in me and I in you
     
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    I understand some are dishonest but some really have to pay for the electric bill, the heat, airconditioning, the loan they took out for the space they have or rent, theological courses, food for the needed and seniors, money for the poor, their own bills if they are not working, etc.
     
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  10. Fool

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    everyone has needs. It would be great if everyone understood we are interdependent. But those preaching merciful compassion should be willing to practice what they preach and not just talk about it and wallow in their excess
     
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    Don't know. They help Christian and non Christian alike. I was more concerned about my rent rather than jesus.
     
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    Should Christians who don't practice what they preach stop giving to the poor?

    That's kind of acting as if non Christians are more saintly than Christians. A lot are more concerned doing for Christ not pleasing people who put them down for their religions politics.
     
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    People who devour others are not giving. They are predators. Scamming the elderly is at an all time high. Selling heaven for a donation is a scam. The people called by Jesus were to serve, not live lavishly.
     
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    Odd. When I was in the church we all devoted ourselves to Christ. The interrelationship with the church and doing good for others was communal and individual not political. So, you think since Christians are corrupt they should stop helping people with food and shelter?
     
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    It is true that people with no trade are apt to become thieves, saying things they should not say to get money off people. Even the Jews taught that not to learn a trade was to become a thief. As Paul said in the course of his Christian minister, if a man will not work, he shall not eat.

    So thieving off the elderly or anyone else is not anything that is taught in the bible, although there are plenty of "so termed" Christians that are fairly adept at it, usually under the deception of tithing, as if the taxation laws in ancient Israel could be directly imported into a church in the 21st century to enable the pastor to line his pockets. But this is how it often happens.
     
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    People who study for eight years to be ordained in the Anglican Church of England know that they will always be relatively low paid when compared to similar level posts outside the Church. A priest can expect around £25k a junior bishop £37k and a Bishop £45 k while the Arch bishop of Canterbury £ 89 k
    Many Anglican priest in the UK are non stipendiary and get only expenses.

    Compared to a doctor in the UK9 (Similar length training) a salaried doctor earns between £60K and £93K and a senior GP or Consultant £100k to £150 K with exceptional cases earning over twice that.(private work)
     
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    What is that supposed to mean?
     
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    It means what it says. If you don't learn an honest trade, you're condemning yourself to a life of crime. This was the received wisdom in the 1st century AD, which is why Paul the apostle was a tent maker.
     
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    No, what does "even the Jews etc" mean? Are Jews supposed to think differently? Do they act differently?
     
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    What I meant by "even the Jews" was, even the upper crust "Hebrews of Hebrews" Pharisee ("separated ones") Jews who could ordinarily be expected to spend their lives in politics or teaching the law or serving the High Priest or whatever they did do in those days.
     
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