King Phenomenon
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Is there any scientific evidence that homosexuality was accepted 10,000 years ago? If not, how do you think they were treated?
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I've read about homosexuality In Ancient Rome. It doesn't really look like a perfectly ideal situation for a homosexual.As mentionnd in another thread, homosexuality or homosexual practices were largely tolerated or even glorified in certan instence in Europe before the spread of Christianity. In Persia and Mesopotamia the situation was fairly similar until the spread of Christianity and Islam. The same is also true for Native Americans before their forced evangelisation. I can't speak on the subject in Asia though.
Hellenic Greece, for example.As mentionnd in another thread, homosexuality or homosexual practices were largely tolerated or even glorified in certan instence in Europe before the spread of Christianity. In Persia and Mesopotamia the situation was fairly similar until the spread of Christianity and Islam. The same is also true for Native Americans before their forced evangelisation. I can't speak on the subject in Asia though.
I don't think there was much prejudice about it in the distant past. But providing evidence for such social or humanist situations in the past is very difficult.Is there any scientific evidence that homosexuality was accepted 10,000 years ago? If not, how do you think they were treated?
I've read about homosexuality In Ancient Rome. It doesn't really look like a perfectly ideal situation for a homosexual.
Maybe you're reading one source and I'm reading something different I don't know
there's a lot of people who seem to think that all the worlds problems today stem from religion and I don't think that's the case. I think it goes a little bit deeper than that.I don't think there was much prejudice about it in the distant past. But providing evidence for such social or humanist situations in the past is very difficult.
How would it help you today?
WikipediaWhich source are you reading?
there's a lot of people who seem to think that all the worlds problems today stem from religion and I don't think that's the case. I think it goes a little bit deeper than that.
It would help if you show us some extracts which interest you.Wikipedia
Well I've always been told you can't correct something if you don't know what the source of it was. So if we don't think it's religion and all those pages, then perhaps we can write a new page.Yes...... a bit deeper than that I'd say.
I reckon that 'all the world's problems today stem from Human Beings'.
But I wonder how any answers from our distant past can help today? Why not write a new page for today?
No need to insist that we have to read any forewords about the past, is there?
What many countries are trying to do today is to give freedom to LGBTQIA folks (in fact ALL Folks) over and about their individual sexualities.
The fact is that there is no 'usual' kind of heterosexuality. Every couple is as unique as the couple's fingerprints.
oh just all the garbage talk about dominant statusIt would help if you show us some extracts which interest you.
Hellenic Greece, for example.
The concept 'homosexual' didn't really exist then.
In terms of sex, the partner who penetrated would not have been stigmatised (or considered to be 'homosexual') but the passive partner would have been stigmatised as effeminate and 'not a real man'.
In Dominion the historian Tom Holland identifies the concept of homosexuality as mostly emerging in Christian culture as part of a trend that also included lifelong monogamy, a women's right to choose her husband, and the notion of sexual consent (sex was only proper in a monogamous marriage, freely entered into by both parties).
The concept of homosexuality has been around before Christian times and the dominant male led a pretty depraved life if you ask meThe concept 'homosexual' didn't really exist then.
In terms of sex, the partner who penetrated would not have been stigmatised (or considered to be 'homosexual') but the passive partner would have been stigmatised as effeminate and 'not a real man'.
In Dominion the historian Tom Holland identifies the concept of homosexuality as mostly emerging in Christian culture as part of a trend that also included lifelong monogamy, a women's right to choose her husband, and the notion of sexual consent (sex was only proper in a monogamous marriage, freely entered into by both parties).
Aka in the closetIronically this did left the door open for homosexual women who, from the very little we know about them, were generally left unbothered as long as they kept it discrete (by that meaning that didn't affect the status of her husband or father) because lesbian sex wasn't considered "real sex" since there were no penetration.
If Christianity never emerged ideology would of still lead To homosexuals being persecutedThe concept 'homosexual' didn't really exist then.
In terms of sex, the partner who penetrated would not have been stigmatised (or considered to be 'homosexual') but the passive partner would have been stigmatised as effeminate and 'not a real man'.
In Dominion the historian Tom Holland identifies the concept of homosexuality as mostly emerging in Christian culture as part of a trend that also included lifelong monogamy, a women's right to choose her husband, and the notion of sexual consent (sex was only proper in a monogamous marriage, freely entered into by both parties).
Unrelated to the threadAs mentionnd in another thread, homosexuality or homosexual practices were largely tolerated or even glorified in certan instence in Europe before the spread of Christianity. In Persia and Mesopotamia the situation was fairly similar until the spread of Christianity and Islam. The same is also true for Native Americans before their forced evangelisation. I can't speak on the subject in Asia though.
Why don't you think there was much prejudice?I don't think there was much prejudice about it in the distant past. But providing evidence for such social or humanist situations in the past is very difficult.
How would it help you today?
There have been homophobic and homophilic societies in history but for the era you're looking for there is no history. There also are no archaeological findings that could be linked to homophily. The only chance to have a guess at sexual preferences 10,000 years ago is to look at anthropology. Tribes that lived into the 20th century without outside contact usually had no organized religion but most had some form of animism or shamanism (though not all). Their sexual conduct and taboos are all over the place. Ritualized genital mutilation, polygyny, polyandry, weird coming-of-age rituals, role-based gender identification (instead of the other way around). strict gender separation and open societies. I can't remember studies especially about homophily in these tribes but from the above my guess would be that that would also be all over the place.Is there any scientific evidence that homosexuality was accepted 10,000 years ago? If not, how do you think they were treated?