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Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Fool, Jul 4, 2017.

  1. Desert Snake

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    John 3:36

    No baptism mentioned.

    The bible is not a riddle.
     
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    Never said it was a riddle. I just choose to take the whole bible not just a couple verses.
     
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    Your method of interpretation, is not how we read the bible. It actually isn't how we read anything. The inference being that salavation requires x, y, z, we use the verses that directly tell us the actual methodology for such. What you are doing, is the riddle methodology, in which, you create your rules, and actually end up contradicting the bible.
    To state that this verse is not true, is stating that the scripture is untrue. You are directly implying that scripture is a deception, /besides contradicting it.
     
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    Of course that scripture is true.

    I believe Christ so I will listen and obey to what he says.

    Luke4:46 And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?
    47 Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like:
    48 He is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock.
    49 But he that heareth, and doeth not, is like a man that without a foundation built an house upon the earth; against which the stream did beat vehemently, and immediately it fell; and the ruin of that house was great.

    This is what Jesus said Mark16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

    Now did you hear him? If so did you do it? If not then your foundation will fall.
     
  5. Fool

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    so is a christening enough?
     
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    You are trying to justify false teachings, invented by certain churches, and presumably individuals, within churches. The methodology for creating a different religion out of the bible, is to take a verse that , for example, has more than one inference, /like the verse you presented, and, from the context outside the direct inference, you make up a religuous inference.

    Hence,
    The methodology for salvation, is already given,
    And from other context, you are changing that scriptural fact.
    When you do this, you are also implying /blatantly implying, that scripture is deception.

    The logical reason why you would not invent your own rules, is that you therefore are implying that scripture, is a deception.
    That doesn't seem to bother you at all, so I'm not really sure what religion you are practicing; but in christianity, this isn't how we practice religion.

    There isn't a problem, if these are your predilection, and are noted as such, but to declare that the verse I presented is false, is declaring that scripture is false.
     
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    Never said it was false. I will be believe and do what Jesus Christ said. You can believe in that one scripture.
     
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    Now I could be wrong in what I'm about to say so don't quote me.

    But in my personal opinion regarding this is that: I believe all Babies will go to heaven regardless. Once they come to an age of understanding they must be taught.

    Proverbs2:6 Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it.
     
  9. Desert Snake

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    You are implying that it is false. This is not a problem, for many churches, since they had pagan priests in their ranks etc, and were sometimes trying to combine magical rites, so forth, into the biblical text.

    I wasn't sure what your ideas on scripture, etc, were; now it is more obvious, that's all.
     
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    You have that right to believe in that.
     
  11. Fool

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    so you believe that it doesn't matter why the person is being baptized, just so long as they are baptized? most who are baptized are simply trying to save their souls but they don't know how that supposedly works.

    it works solely based on belief in the Name.


    Mark 16:17
    And these signs will accompany those who believe: In my name they will drive out demons; they will speak in new tongues;

    John 1:12
    Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God

    Acts 10:43
    All the prophets testify about him that everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins through his name.”

    1 John 3:23
    And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us.

    1 John 5:13
    [ Concluding Affirmations ] I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God so that you may know that you have eternal life.
     
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    John3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

    To be born again.

    Acts2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

    39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call
     
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    Pagan priests had to change religions/they were not happy about this.

    They had to invent ideas like the church /the priesthood, could have the authority to offer salvation.

    So, they revised scriptural meaning.
     
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    I believe Christ so I will listen and obey to what he says.

    Luke4:46 And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?
    47 Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like:
    48 He is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock.
    49 But he that heareth, and doeth not, is like a man that without a foundation built an house upon the earth; against which the stream did beat vehemently, and immediately it fell; and the ruin of that house was great.

    This is what Jesus said Mark16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

    Now did you hear him? If so did you do it? If not then your foundation will fall.
     
  15. Desert Snake

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    You're presenting false religion, and magic, and salvation from man.

    You can't use the bible to support your own whimsical religion, if you don't accept all scripture. Even non-christians, arguing scripture, should have a set text, for argumentation. There are non christians who do not use all accepted canon, and that is not good for scriptural argumentation, either.

    Ie your own religion, which I'm not really interested in.
     
  16. Fool

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    if they accept the Name of I AM that i am, then the person recognizes that the ALL is in all; which includes self.

    thus, he understands that Spirit is born of Spirit, and flesh is born of flesh.

    the remission of sins is accomplished when the person believes upon the Name.

    Acts 10:43
    All the prophets testify about him that everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins through his name.”
     
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    Which is in Acts 2:38. You receive when you believe then get baptized in his name Jesus Christ. This is how you are buried with him.
     
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    Do you think that Jews are going to Hell?

    They don't have baptism
     
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    I accept all scripture. You are literally not accepting Mark16:16 and what he is saying in Luke 6:46.

    Why aren't you doing what he says?


    Luke6:46 And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?
     
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    The Jews were saved by the law in the old testament.
    Now you are saved by the name of Jesus Christ (Messiah)
     
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