Pragmatic argument against the border wall

[Thief]

If you want to spend your time and money building that wall. go right, ahead.

just because I don't support the wall, does not mean I support illegal immigration.

so you are willing to speak your mind......
but won't stand ground against trespassers

 

[Thief]

Lets start locking up for more for 2mph over. In fact how do we not have a 3 strikes rule for this yet.

well.....like I said.....

speeding might be a poor comparison

but jail for trespassers might work

I know.....insist that Mexico perform the incarceration
I hear the Mexicans are inhumane about the treatment of prisoners

THAT might still the urge to cross a borderline

jail in Mexico

 

[Curious George]

well.....like I said.....

speeding might be a poor comparison

I agree, speeding is more dangerous.

 

[Thief]

I agree, speeding is more dangerous.

crime rate per national?

you seem unaware

 

[Curious George]

crime rate per national?

you seem unaware

Are we talkimg about "crime" like crossing borders and speeding or are we talking about crime?

You seem to have so blurred the definition, I am not sure anymore. But illegal immigrants do seem to commit less crime than our national average. To that I will agree.

 

[Thief]

Are we talkimg about "crime" like crossing borders and speeding or are we talking about crime?

You seem to have so blurred the definition, I am not sure anymore. But illegal immigrants do seem to commit less crime than our national average. To that I will agree.

you brought up traffic laws

wanna drop it?

 

[Thief]

I see need for a new thread

I have this talk with my family now and then

there are stats

and whites (though harmful)
are not the source of the problem

the south seems to want what we have

let's give it to them

cross into Mexico and install American law

they want it
we got it
let's give it to them

 

[Shaul]

I was not impressed by the article. Setting aside the liberal bias of the Atlantic, it was riddled with dubious analysis, red herrings and non sequiturs.

 

[Curious George]

you brought up traffic laws

wanna drop it?

Why wpuld I drop it. I am just sitting here wondering how we can get information to others and raise awareness about this national crisis, nay, emergency.

If people are this shaken by the mere illegal crossing of a border, what happens when they realize the speeding pandemic.

 

[Curious George]

I see need for a new thread

I have this talk with my family now and then

there are stats

and whites (though harmful)
are not the source of the problem

the south seems to want what we have

let's give it to them

cross into Mexico and install American law

they want it
we got it
let's give it to them

Annexing the rest of North and South America does have its appeal.

 

[suncowiam]

so you are willing to speak your mind......
but won't stand ground against trespassers

"Stand your ground?"

Is that another reference to solving issues with guns?

Is that all you know, is how to solve issues with guns?

I'm against illegal immigration but it depends on the context before considering violence as retribution. It's not black and white as you suggest.

 

[Subduction Zone]

El Paso was one of America's most dangerous cities rampant with illegal alien criminality; then as soon as a border barrier there was built, presto, El Paso became one of the safest cities in America.

The FBI’s Uniform Crime Report shows that El Paso’s annual number of reported violent crimes dropped from nearly 5,000 in 1995 to around 2,700 in 2016

That is a Trump myth, in other words a lie. The crime rare there had dropped before the barrier was put up:

https://www.usnews.com/news/politic...l-doesnt-mean-walls-are-the-answer-locals-say

 

[Thief]

"Stand your ground?"

Is that another reference to solving issues with guns?

Is that all you know, is how to solve issues with guns?

I'm against illegal immigration but it depends on the context before considering violence as retribution. It's not black and white as you suggest.

neither was Vietnam

but we sent our young men there to die
for the sake of territory not ours

and you would hesitate our borders?

call yourself an American .....do you?

I suspect communism is afoot

 

[suncowiam]

neither was Vietnam

but we sent our young men there to die
for the sake of territory not ours

and you would hesitate our borders?

call yourself an American .....do you?

I suspect communism is afoot

Did you get my memo about black and white? Simplifying might make things easier to process but it sure ain't helping you understand the real issues.

I can't even communicate in the communist DIR on this forum. Try guessing again because that's all you've done so far. Also, try diversifying your news source.

What does the Vietnam war have to do with this. South Vietnam was a pro-democtratic state that allowed US to send troops. I can already tell you have no idea of the real history behind it.

 

[Thief]

What does the Vietnam war have to do with this.

really?.....

did you read and the consider the entire post?

 

[suncowiam]

really?.....

did you read and the consider the entire post?

I read your post about Americans dying.

How specifically does the Vietnam war relate to illegal immigration or building a wall? Please simply answer that.

 

[Thief]

I read your post about Americans dying.

How specifically does the Vietnam war relate to illegal immigration or building a wall? Please simply answer that.

I did......

but for retort....
we send our young men to defend other borders
they die doing so

and we here at home .......don't defend our borders

so....which side of the fence do you want to be on?

 

[Thief]

I say.....if you want an immigrant here in this country

trade places with him

you let him in

you go south

 

[suncowiam]

I did......

but for retort....
we send our young men to defend other borders
they die doing so

and we here at home .......don't defend our borders

so....which side of the fence do you want to be on?

You're comparing oranges to apples.

North Vietnam and South Vietnam were fighting a shadow war. North Vietnam were sending Viet Cong to the county side of South Vietnam to instigate a revolt. Although they had a peace treaty, they were still technically at war.

Are you comparing all illegal immigrants to enemy soldiers? Not even a close comparison.

 

[suncowiam]

I say.....if you want an immigrant here in this country

trade places with him

you let him in

you go south

You should emphasize illegal immigrants because most of us are immigrants or descendents from immigrants. And to my understanding, no one is arguing to allow illegal immigrants into the nation.