Pornography

[painted wolf]

you cant degade the willing my friend.... If they are comfortable with then so what?
As a porn star if she feels degraded... the only time it happins is when uptight people get on her case for her job.

I do only have desire for my partner.... I don't have to try anything. Personally I would never sleep with a porn star, ick....
when I watch porn I think of my partner and how much better the real thing is... (and how awful those fake boobs look ;P )

as for marrage, who knows? We are dedicated to one another and don't need a government paper to tell us that. We live together as man and wife so we are married as far as we are concerned.

and No, the fact that you don't look at porn doesn't make you less comfortable with sex and sexuality, the fact that you are uncomfortable with OTHER people looking at porn makes you so.

wa:do

 

[Scott1]

I do only have desire for my partner

Not if you look at porn with lust and desire....... or else what is the attraction?

(and how awful those fake boobs look ;P )

HA!! Amen to that.......... (Yes, I looked once or twice.....when I was single..... Shame on me!!!!)

as for marrage, who knows? We are dedicated to one another and don't need a government paper to tell us that. We live together as man and wife so we are married as far as we are concerned.

Bless you........ glad you are happy together...... you've stayed together longer than most married couples I know!

and No, the fact that you don't look at porn doesn't make you less comfortable with sex and sexuality, the fact that you are uncomfortable with OTHER people looking at porn makes you so.

I am not uncomfortable with other people looking at porn....... I just don't understand the attraction when you have love in your life......... ?????????

Peace,
Scott

 

[Zero Faith]

I just don't understand the attraction when you have love in your life......... ?????????

Nonsense. For us to believe that, you'd have us think you must be completely oblivious to desires of the flesh -- desires hardwired into our brains by millions of years of evolution. Perhaps you're one of the few straight males who don't experience pleasure from viewing a naked woman, but don't paint yourself as so divinely innocent as to not understand the same desires in others. Why many people are attracted to pornography shouldn't be a source of confusion for any male past the age of 12.

You are uncomfortable with others viewing pornography -- that much, at least, is clear.

Western civilization right now is prudish, thanks in part to the Puritan ideals that had such influence on the development of modern society. A man or woman who feels threatened by his or her spouse's viewing of pornography has esteem issues to deal with (the same thing is true of people taking offense if their loved ones are caught checking out a stranger). Painting this harmless act as 'cheating' does nothing more than pump more septic baggage into marriage, further burdening what is already a fragile institution. Espousing a general condemnation of people who view pornography as emotionally bankrupt or incapable of intimacy is condescending, unfair and insulting.

 

[Lightkeeper]

Here is an interesting article on pornography. There are many studies on the internet about porn usage.

http://marriage.about.com/od/pornography

 

[Scott1]

Nonsense. For us to believe that, you'd have us think you must be completely oblivious to desires of the flesh -- desires hardwired into our brains by millions of years of evolution.

Not at all............. I just don't let those desires rule my behavior.... it's called self control.

Perhaps you're one of the few straight males who don't experience pleasure from viewing a naked woman, but don't paint yourself as so divinely innocent as to not understand the same desires in others.

Again, I do experience pleasure.......... that's why I choose not to look at it. It takes away from the desire I should feel for my spouse..... at least that's the way I feel......... It's really not that hard a concept to understand.

Are you married Zero Faith?

Peace,
Scott

 

[painted wolf]

well... as far as self control goes

why does the watching of a little porn from time to time equil lack of control?
I don't obsess about porn, infact I only view it once or twice a month if that....
Its not like everyone who views porn becomes slavering sex crazed beasts...

if you don't like porn thats fine, but why insist that those that do have problems?

problems with intamacy, or love, or self control.....

why when Zero Faith speaks up in a pro manner you demand Zero's merrital status?

just currious

wa:do

 

[Scott1]

painted wolf,

if you don't like porn thats fine, but why insist that those that do have problems?

Never did....... don't cry wolf (ha ha)...... I only am offering my opinion that the virtues of chastity and self control will produce a more loving and close relationship between two partners.

why when Zero Faith speaks up in a pro manner you demand Zero's merrital status?

I DEMAND????? Give me a break with the strawman sillyness...... I asked the question to help me to decide if his/her argument is based on experience or just opinion...... I would rather take advice from someone in a relationship than someone who was not......... pretty simple.

Scott

 

[painted wolf]

woah, easy.... no need to get excited....

if I misspoke and used the word demanded instead of requested (proof of relevence in the conversation implied, ie, not married then not relevent)

my bad, no need to wave the strawman around.



wa:do

 

[Rex]

I think Zero Faith is correct when he talks about the western world and the Puritan Beliefs. We are a very prude country. I mean we don't even have nude beaches b/c we are so insecure about sexuality.

The bible even tells it's followers "be fruitfull" hmm saying that just gave me an idea for a Catholic debate topic..

 

[Lightkeeper]

I think Scott's main point is don't put water in the wine.

 

[painted wolf]

but what about drinking both water and wine seperatly?

I like both

wa:do

 

[Yerda]

Here is an interesting article on pornography. There are many studies on the internet about porn usage.

Lightkeeper, I had a quick read at that article, the only reference I noticed in the text was to an article previously published on the same site regarding the same topic. This is despite the claims that pornography "radically alters the structure of the human brain—changes so dramatic they can only be described as brain damage". That is a pretty hefty claim, I've studied human biology and never have I encountered documentation of any agent that can alter the structure of the human brain by simply viewing it. In fact, I can not think of anything on the spot that could cause brain damage short of severe trauma or microbial infecion. If that is true then a lot of people have brain damage - almost every guy I know, and some girls, look at porn from time to time.

I also noticed that there was no evidence to suggest pornography was the cause, if it played any role at all, in any of the case studies. There may be some people who have unfortunate problems with sex and sexuality and who feel compulsed to commit crimes of a sexual nature, and they may even be porn fanatics, but there could be a mistake of cause for effect in there.

I'm sorry if this sounds like a personal attack, it is not. I am aware of why you might have found that piece interesting, but if I could ask you to look at the homepage you would see that the site is selling Internet protection. I would personally advise you to listen with caution to the words of someone trying to sell you something.

 

[Lightkeeper]

What's wrong with internet protection? I have a friend who's 12 year old son is viewing porn.

 

[Yerda]

Internet protection? Nothing at all, I wouldn't like children to view unsuitable material. I was refering to the propaganda they are attempting to sell their product with. There are some pretty wild claims with absolutely no evidence to back them up. I'm sure a muslim cleric could offer more evidence that the world is infact flat.

Anyway, my views, if it's abusive then I disagree. If not then I can't see why people should object to another making a living and doing no harm.

 

[trishtrish10]

some people i'm attracted to others i'm not. that's just natural for me. is it u? clinton's administration never prosecuted pornographers and bush's doesn't go after the few main distributors. is there a fear factor here. and what's wrong with the virtue of prudence. many on the internet and in public need to research the word by using a dictionary. i myself am the sole decision maker of what's lustful to me. i worked in a rest home and changed depends on both men and women and like most doctors never derrived sexual pleasure from it at all. lust is in the eyes of the beholder. i always said the worst thing i ever found was a playboy when 12 years old. it was abhorrent now but i was curious then. stop it before it destroys the family structure. i know of a marriage that porn destroyed. so think about it. prudence is wiser than porn.

 

[painted wolf]

if you are the sole decision maker of what is lustful to you then shurely I am the sole decision maker for what is lustful for me.... Just because you find it abhorant doesn't mean that you have the right to keep it from everyone elce.

if you don't like it don't look at it... its not that hard to keep away from.

and I know a marrage that was saved by porn.

ego and arbatrary rules distroy families... not some 'evil' boogymen.

wa:do

 

[trishtrish10]

that's my point.what's lustful for you may not be for me or anyone else. everyones sexuality is different. all i'm saying is lust is a sin and pornography is one of it's precursors. it's very degrading to the human dignity of man.

 

[painted wolf]

Lust is a sin in your faith.... lust is natural in others.

people have been protraying the act of sex for thousands of years before the bible was written and will do so for the rest of time. Nudes have been popular since the stone age.
its a celebration of the joy of sex.

if anything it is uplifting to the spirit of man.

wa:do

 

[trishtrish10]

it's natural to sin, but that's not an excuse. human nature is sometimes sinful and we need to work on perfecting our human nature. porn destroys the intimacy one has with ones spouse. personally i abhor porn and would like the few main distributors punished as need be. many women and men are exploited sexually for money. that needs to stop. porn is inescapabel. just view certain asvertisements and television. it has broken several marriages and does not support a healthy family or individual structure. it defies the integrity of people and is indignant to all.

 

[trishtrish10]

u can't always believe what u read in the papers, hear on the radio and televion. that's we have institutions(reliable) to spread and reveal the truth.