Pornography poll

[Alceste]

Agreed. If I had to pick out one thing that I believe would do more than anything else to ameliorate the abuses of the porn industry I would pick an economy with lots of opportunities for gainful employment elsewhere.

Yeah, that would really help. But I also think mental health services and services for sex workers who want out would be good.

 

[Aquitaine]

This I agree with. I also think mental health services, economic development, education and better child protection would make a big dent in the number of women willing to be exploited in that particular fashion, at least those who are motivated by drug addiction, self-destructive inclinations resulting from early abuse, or desperate women who feel they have no other economic prospects.

Let's assume for the sake of the arguement, that Country X (or Country XXX amirite?) exists which has what the First World would consider excellent mental health infrastructure, world-leading economic opportunity, education and child protection etc. Assuming there was true Equality and Women were brought up in a sound, safe environment with the best options to persue intellectual, sustainable and desirable work etc.

Given all those boxes ticked for Country X, I still believe that there would be some Women who would (like our starving artists) prefer to persue a career in Porn, even if she would earn less money. So long as said Porn industry was properly regulated, and run/owned by atleast 50% Women, would people (including yourself) still view it as exploitation worse than in other "normal" industries?

 

[Alceste]

Let's assume for the sake of the arguement, that Country X (or Country XXX amirite?) exists which has what the First World would consider excellent mental health infrastructure, world-leading economic opportunity, education and child protection etc. Assuming there was true Equality and Women were brought up in a sound, safe environment with the best options to persue intellectual, sustainable and desirable work etc.

Given all those boxes ticked for Country X, I still believe that there would be some Women who would (like our starving artists) prefer to persue a career in Porn, even if she would earn less money. So long as said Porn industry was properly regulated, and run/owned by atleast 50% Women, would people (including yourself) still view it as exploitation worse than in other "normal" industries?

Probably not, although I consider the idea that many women would pursue porn as an art form and take a pay cut to do it rather fanciful.

 

[Aquitaine]

Probably not, although I consider the idea that many women would pursue porn as an art form and take a pay cut to do it rather fanciful.

Oh noes - I don't believe there would be many Women at all doing it, but that there would be atleast some doing it. I guess what I'm trying to wonder is whether or not Prawn is inherently negative and whether or not an industry of it would even exist "in an ideal world".

 

[Alceste]

Oh noes - I don't believe there would be many Women at all doing it, but that there would be atleast some doing it. I guess what I'm trying to wonder is whether or not Prawn is inherently negative and whether or not an industry of it would even exist "in an ideal world".

I'm sure it would still exist, and it would still be profitable. It would probably look very different though. More female orgasms, less bukkake.

 

[Aquitaine]

I'm sure it would still exist, and it would still be profitable. It would probably look very different though. More female orgasms, less bukkake.

Along with more females behind the camera etc.

 

[Horrorble]

Pretending to own one's partner, like pretending to rape one's partner, is something some couples find enhances their pleasure.

Lets not pretend that it's not male centric and porncentric. Pornography is mostly made by white men for white men thats why it's sexist and racist. Some women don't even care about their own orgasm because heterosexuality is so male centric it focuses primarily on penetration and a women being f'ed.

 

[Sunstone]

Lets not pretend that it's not male centric and porncentric. Pornography is mostly made by white men for white men thats why it's sexist and racist. Some women don't even care about their own orgasm because heterosexuality is so male centric it focuses primarily on penetration and a women being f'ed.

I think you're over simplifying it.

 

[Horrorble]

Exactly.. I mean, I feel that way about feminist issues even as a man.. I don't know what "is good for women", but I have a rough idea of what I think is good for humans, what they're capable and worthy of, and of some ways in which they can get bent without facing up to it. It's much harder for me to tell a person those things directly though, than it is for me to make up my mind about them. We aren't always as mysterious or complex as we'd like to think; the rationalizations may be endless, but that's sometimes like a few pieces of coal giving off a lot of smoke. Many people like to own and/or consume things and people, that's what they think life is... and even being owned is sometimes preferable to having to think and being a person. That's the disease, and there are a LOT of symptoms, porn's just one of them.

Great post. But according to someone people if someone jerks off to something and someone orgasms overs something, I can't criticise it for being sexist or racist? Well it doesn't make it any less so. If you look at famous porn stars and their movies their is a pattern to what they do and it regularly features being cummed on. Cum and penetration are used a symbols of ownership and possession in pornography and its the woman who is owned.

 

[Horrorble]

I think you're over simplifying it.

I think it really is that simple pornography is not exactly complicated.

 

[Sunstone]

I think it really is that simple pornography is not exactly complicated.

Yes, but people are more complicated than you seem to believe. Women don't always enjoy the same things. Men don't always enjoy the same things. You make it sound like all women are the same, and all men are the same. I think that's over simplifying things.

 

[Aquitaine]

Great post. But according to someone people if someone jerks off to something and someone orgasms overs something, I can't criticise it for being sexist or racist? Well it doesn't make it any less so. If you look at famous porn stars and their movies their is a pattern to what they do and it regularly features being cummed on. Cum and penetration are used a symbols of ownership and possession in pornography and its the woman who is owned.

Unless of course it's Gay, FemDom, Lesbian, Amateur or Solo porn.

 

[Gjallarhorn]

Cum and penetration are used a symbols of ownership and possession in pornography and its the woman who is owned.

You must have some peculiar fetishes then, or just use the wrong search terms/mindset.

 

[dawny0826]

It's a pretty big circle, spanning three continents and two dozen cities. I've never in my life heard a female person express an interest in having her face ejaculated on. I've never seen a Cosmo article called "spice up your sex life by getting him to come on your face", and I've never seen a porno made by women for women that includes a "come in the face" shot.

I'm not saying nobody anywhere is into it, I'm just saying it's a very unusual kink, and I know girls who like whips. Hell, I know women who like to be peed on. I am in am erotica writers group. It just doesn't come up, so to speak.

Uhm, you do know of one woman who is into this.

When it's the right guy and you can finally be yourself and let go of inhibitions, it's amazing what you find you're into and the fun things that you can do to drive each other nuts.

Sorry, I don't consider this an unusual "kink". But, to each their own.

 

[Gjallarhorn]

Uhm, you do know of one woman who is into this.

When it's the right guy and you can finally be yourself and let go of inhibitions, it's amazing what you find you're into and the fun things that you can do to drive each other nuts.

Sorry, I don't consider this an unusual "kink". But, to each their own.

Obviously you have been brainwashed by patriarchal society into desiring acts of submission.

It's okay to cry.

 

[dawny0826]

Obviously you have been brainwashed by patriarchal society into desiring acts of submission.

It's okay to cry.

Or cackle. It's fun to be in charge.

(Kidding...FH might pull out our whips and punish me...)

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

porn sites are the most popular on the web
There is no chance they will be banned.

Porn actors see it as a job, If they like it and are good at it I am sure they can be reasonably paid for the risks they take.
Some of them are forced into it, and worse.
Like any unregulated trade there are those that are taken advantage of by the criminal elements.
Regulation might get rid of the worst excesses but will never stop the trade.

 

[dawny0826]

I know pornography has been thoroughly discussed here, but I was thinking about something and I wanted to see how the numbers added up.

Basically the question is: Assuming banning porn would stop distribution and prevent access to it, do you think pornography should be banned? If so, is it because or partially because it exploits women?

I'm not one who thinks that porn should be banned, though I have no use for it.

I do think there needs to be more regulation, particularly on the internet and my stance is always that we can only ASSUME as viewers that those participating are willing adults. You never really know what you're looking at.

There's an industry and an industry that even tries to be responsible by making sure that folks are tested for disease and are verified to be of age. Consenting folks should be able to do what they want.

But, I'll never be fully comfy with it on a personal note, as I can't really trust what I'm viewing.

The willing woman is hardly exploited. It's her choice.

 

[Titanic]

porn does exploit women but then again pretty much everything in this world exploits women. Most men just see women as sex objects, I am proud to say I am not one of those guys. So banning porn would not really do anything for the better, women will still be expolited, that is a sad cruel fact. I wish it was not so but it is. I am happy though to see it has gotten better than it once was though for women.

 

[Alceste]

I'm not one who thinks that porn should be banned, though I have no use for it.

I do think there needs to be more regulation, particularly on the internet and my stance is always that we can only ASSUME as viewers that those participating are willing adults. You never really know what you're looking at.

There's an industry and an industry that even tries to be responsible by making sure that folks are tested for disease and are verified to be of age. Consenting folks should be able to do what they want.

But, I'll never be fully comfy with it on a personal note, as I can't really trust what I'm viewing.

The willing woman is hardly exploited. It's her choice.

And the African child who takes a job rubbing mercury between his bare hands is not exploited either, right? It's his choice?