Pornography and the internet

[ecco]

You are trying to continue to assert that I want to expose children to porn by deceptively wrapping the assertion into a question. That's very pathetic and very unChristian.

Did you lie to your children about the rape of Mary or were you honest? Do you defend God telling "his warriors" that is was OK to give the very young captured virgins to the victorious soldiers to do with as they pleased?

Why are those parts of the Bible never shown in religious propaganda movies like Moses or Gibson's
The Passion of the Christ? I guess it's OK to let kids read about bible horrors (if they find them) but, God Forbid, they should see it.

I have been disappointed in your laissez-faire attitude toward protecting children from porn. Adults need to avoid it also.

You went from accusing me of aggressively wanting to expose children to porn to passively having a laissez-faire attitude toward protecting children from porn.

Well, that's an improvement I guess.


Now, how about addressing some of the violent Biblical porn...

• Did you lie to your children about the rape of Mary
• Do you defend God telling "his warriors" that is was OK to give the very young captured virgins to the victorious soldiers to do with as they pleased

 

[Goodman John]

What could be more natural than people having sex?

What could be more UN-natural than someone being killed?

Or is the objection as to HOW these things are depicted?

 

[Goodman John]

Now, how about addressing some of the violent Biblical porn...

• Did you lie to your children about the rape of Mary

I will note, in aid of this claim, that considering the circumstances (young girl, being propositioned by "God" who by all accounts is a vengeful, psychotic mass murderer) Mary really didn't have much of an option to say no or even raise an objection. Let's say she refused- she either gets impregnated anyway, or (more likely) she and her whole family, maybe the city, gets nuked when "God" gets petulant about being told 'no'. Given "God's" previous actions, he's probably not going to let some girl slide- he's got a reputation to uphold, you know.

This is all speculation on my part, though- for myself I believe Mary was a perfectly normal young girl who got pregnant in a very normal way and gave birth- very normally- to a very normal boy. That she raised this boy with a husband some 70+ years her senior is a bit odd, but not impossible.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

That she raised this boy with a husband some 70+ years her senior is a bit odd, but not impossible.

I don't think Joseph was that old. Maybe 40s or 50s, which was old for that time.

 

[ecco]

I will note, in aid of this claim, that considering the circumstances (young girl, being propositioned by "God" who by all accounts is a vengeful, psychotic mass murderer) Mary really didn't have much of an option to say no or even raise an objection. Let's say she refused- she either gets impregnated anyway, or (more likely) she and her whole family, maybe the city, gets nuked when "God" gets petulant about being told 'no'. Given "God's" previous actions, he's probably not going to let some girl slide- he's got a reputation to uphold, you know.

This is all speculation on my part, though- for myself I believe Mary was a perfectly normal young girl who got pregnant in a very normal way and gave birth- very normally- to a very normal boy. That she raised this boy with a husband some 70+ years her senior is a bit odd, but not impossible.

Assuming...

• There was a Mary
• Mary got impregnated by her betrothed (an old guy named Joseph?)
• Mary gave birth to a son
• The son became a radical preacher

 

[Goodman John]

I don't think Joseph was that old. Maybe 40s or 50s, which was old for that time.

According to certain apocryphal texts (particularly the History of Joseph the Carpenter), Joseph married his first wife at 40, and he and his wife were together for 49 years, having a number of children in the interim. This indicates Joseph's age to be 89 at the very earliest he could have married Mary.

The Catholic Encyclopedia cites apocryphal texts as well (including the History):

"When forty years of age, Joseph married a woman called Melcha or Escha by some, Salome by others; they lived forty-nine years together and had six children, two daughters and four sons, the youngest of whom was James (the Less, "the Lord's brother"). A year after his wife's death, as the priests announced through Judea that they wished to find in the tribe of Judah a respectable man to espouse Mary, then twelve to fourteen years of age. Joseph, who was at the time ninety years old, went up to Jerusalem among the candidates; a miracle manifested the choice God had made of Joseph, and two years later the Annunciation took place. These dreams, as St. Jerome styles them [...] are void of authority; they nevertheless acquired in the course of ages some popularity; in them some ecclesiastical writers sought the answer to the well-known difficulty arising from the mention in the Gospel of "the Lord's brothers"; from them also popular credulity has, contrary to all probability, as well as to the tradition witnessed by old works of art, retained the belief that St. Joseph was an old man at the time of marriage with the Mother of God."

 

[SkepticThinker]

For most of the history of man, including the time surrounding your OT stories, families with many children lived, cooked, ate, and slept in one room. Do you really think these children didn't see nudity and see and hear sex?

My grandmother grew up in a one-room house in the 1930s and 1940s with 5 other brothers and sisters. I seriously doubt her parents where doing it in the outhouse.

 

[ecco]

According to certain apocryphal texts (particularly the History of Joseph the Carpenter), Joseph married his first wife at 40, and he and his wife were together for 49 years, having a number of children in the interim. This indicates Joseph's age to be 89 at the very earliest he could have married Mary.

It's worth noting when this history was written:

History of Joseph the Carpenter - WikipediaThe History of Joseph the Carpenter (Historia Josephi Fabri Lignari) is a compilation of traditions concerning Mary (mother of Jesus), Joseph, and the "holy family," probably composed in Byzantine Egypt in Greek in the late sixth or early seventh centuries, but surviving only in Coptic and Arabic language translation.[1] The text gives support to the doctrine of perpetual virginity of Mary.
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I guess we are supposed to accept the accuracy of a story was passed down through twenty-five generations.

On the other hand, we can accept that someone in the late sixth or early seventh centuries decided to write a little story to address some questions that were being asked.

 

[BilliardsBall]

And why the lax attitude to protecting children from depictions of violence? Which is worse for them? To see a couple having sex? or to see someone get killed?

Are you claiming a link between movie and videogame violence and violent behavior? Because I know there's a link between exposure to porn and issues and addictions.

 

[Polymath257]

Are you claiming a link between movie and videogame violence and violent behavior? Because I know there's a link between exposure to porn and issues and addictions.

I'm saying that exposure to violence is far more harmful than exposure to sex.

 

[Goodman John]

It's worth noting when this history was written:

History of Joseph the Carpenter - WikipediaThe History of Joseph the Carpenter (Historia Josephi Fabri Lignari) is a compilation of traditions concerning Mary (mother of Jesus), Joseph, and the "holy family," probably composed in Byzantine Egypt in Greek in the late sixth or early seventh centuries, but surviving only in Coptic and Arabic language translation.[1] The text gives support to the doctrine of perpetual virginity of Mary.
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I guess we are supposed to accept the accuracy of a story was passed down through twenty-five generations.

On the other hand, we can accept that someone in the late sixth or early seventh centuries decided to write a little story to address some questions that were being asked.

Why not? Could it not have been a writing 'inspired by God' as are so many other religious writings?

If this telling of events were known in the Early Church, would it have been included- or at least considered for inclusion- in Biblical canon by the time of Nicea? Doesn't it seem to support the Church line on Mary and the circumstances of Jesus' birth?

 

[BilliardsBall]

I'm saying that exposure to violence is far more harmful than exposure to sex.

To help me, perhaps you will present here some peer-reviewed papers showing watching violence breeds violence, so we can work together to ban videogames, MCU movies, etc. and also some white papers showing how children who are exposed to pornographic videos are unaffected. I'd appreciate either/or.

Thank you.

 

[Polymath257]

To help me, perhaps you will present here some peer-reviewed papers showing watching violence breeds violence, so we can work together to ban videogames, MCU movies, etc. and also some white papers showing how children who are exposed to pornographic videos are unaffected. I'd appreciate either/or.

Thank you.

I'd prefer to ban neither. Let the parents take some responsibility.

 

[SkepticThinker]

To help me, perhaps you will present here some peer-reviewed papers showing watching violence breeds violence, so we can work together to ban videogames, MCU movies, etc. and also some white papers showing how children who are exposed to pornographic videos are unaffected. I'd appreciate either/or.

Thank you.

Why ban any of those things?

 

[ecco]

I know there's a link between exposure to porn and issues and addictions.

Did you read that in the Bible or do you have something more current that you can refer to as evidence?

 

[ecco]

Why not? Could it not have been a writing 'inspired by God' as are so many other religious writings?

Ah, inspired by God. When one cannot explain how a writer could have knowledge, just say "He was inspired by God".

If this telling of events were known in the Early Church, would it have been included- or at least considered for inclusion- in Biblical canon by the time of Nicea? Doesn't it seem to support the Church line on Mary and the circumstances of Jesus' birth?

It obviously mattered to someone to try to bolster other stories. Many authors made up stories to support other made up stories and real agendas.

That's what was done with the OT the NT, Bahai and Scientology. Nothing new - nothing original.

 

[BilliardsBall]

I'd prefer to ban neither. Let the parents take some responsibility.

I take/took responsibility, however, links were clicked on and clickbaits were used against my children. And parents can take responsibility to ban this crap from the eyes of children. Your libertarian view may harm children. Please stop.

 

[BilliardsBall]

Why ban any of those things?

Ban from places where CHILDREN can view porn.

 

[BilliardsBall]

Did you read that in the Bible or do you have something more current that you can refer to as evidence?

You are unaware of the links between child exposure to porn and children/young adults being screwed up sexually? Really?

 

[Erebus]

Ban from places where CHILDREN can view porn.

Such as the internet, DVDs, VHS, magazines, literature, photographs, woodcuts, stone carvings and the human imagination?