Porn Exploits People

[InChrist]

If a person cannot see the benefits of porn, or even of prostitution then they are not really qualified to comment on it in a meaningful way in my opinion.

There are abuses. But that does not mean that abuse is the norm. Most women that go into prostitution seem to do so voluntarily. Granted it is often due to some bad choices that they have made but it can also be a pathway out of those choices.

My housemates son had a bad opioid addiction. So did his girlfriend. She would sometimes sell herself to pay for their habit. In fact once while he was in jail she asked if I would hold the bail money that she was earning. I was not going to bail him out myself because I thought that he was safer in jail. But I could not turn down her request. So I may have been an accessory to prostitution. I did not get any money myself. I simply held it until she had enough to pay his bail. Well of course he did more crimes when he was bailed out, and she did too. They both ended up going to prison for thee years. And that was what they both needed. Now amazingly they are both out. They are both clean. And they are still together. Engaged to get married of all things. They also both have jobs which I know that the son never had for long and I a don't think she ever had one for long either. It has been about a year with no sign of relapse.

Prostitution allowed her to survive. It was also a choice that she did not want to maintain. But there was no abuse that I know of in their relationship. She could have easily have left him when he was in jail. They could have easily gone their separate ways when in prison. But that was not the case. I thought that they were both lifers, people that go in and out of the system but getting off of opioids freed them so that they could be the decent people they were underneath.

That case is not a ringing endorsement, but I doubt if you will find one. Perhaps if sex workers were viewed differently. But they as a couple could separate sex and love in a good way.

I think there are many variables with situations people find themselves in, yet I still don’t think prostitution is the best answer. Having said that, I want to stress that my main issue is not against the victim or the sex workers who are often making desperate or unhealthy choices, but with the pimps who abuse and control and the buyers who use women and men as objects. And now children, as child pornography and trafficking is skyrocketing.

I appreciate you sharing the experience of your housemate’s son and girlfriend. Sounds like they had a rough road for a number of year’s years. Glad to hear they got past that and are doing well.

 

[InChrist]

Yes, because they are either underground or the people working in the porn industry are reticent to speak up about abuse because of the social stigma.
If the porn industry was really in the open (not stigmatized by religious zealotry) and well regulated, much of the issues would disappear. If porn production was not stigmatized an a woman or man was not shunned for acting in or producing in a film, there would be no need for trafficking. Why risk an illegal activity when you can simply place an ad in the paper and get applicants?
You seem to be concerned about the negative things that sometimes are associated with porn, and that's good, but offer no objections to the porn itself. In other words, it sounds like if there was no trafficking and people signed up for it voluntarily and were paid and treated well, it would be okay with you, right? And you have not provided a clear definition of what porn means to you.

Also, just because some porn is exploitative it does not follow that all porn is exploitative.

It’s getting late, so I will respond to this when I can later on.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I think there are many variables with situations people find themselves in, yet I still don’t think prostitution is the best answer. Having said that, I want to stress that my main issue is not against the victim or the sex workers who are often making desperate or unhealthy choices, but with the pimps who abuse and control and the buyers who use women and men as objects. And now children, as child pornography and trafficking is skyrocketing.

I appreciate you sharing the experience of your housemate’s son and girlfriend. Sounds like they had a rough road for a number of year’s years. Glad to hear they got past that and are doing well.

Once again you miss the point. Is there some abuse? Yes there is. No one has denied this. But abuse appears to be the exception rather than the rule.

You also lose the argument even worse by bringing child pornography into it. Do you understand why?

 

[Mock Turtle]

Opinion: Pornhub has no place on the New York catwalk

Although the site encourages its users to report illegal content, as a hosting platform it takes no legal responsibility for the videos that are uploaded, making it a hotbed for illegal photos and videos.

Seems too many will not believe this - or are happy with it.

Despite Pornhub asserting that illegal videos are removed swiftly when flagged, investigations into the site prove otherwise. After the owners of US independent film label Girls Do Porn were charged with federal sex trafficking in October last year, the only action Pornhub took was to remove the company’s official page from its website (which took three days), while videos by the film label still exist on Pornhub via unofficial uploaders. An investigation by The Sunday Times the following month found that Pornhub is flooded with secretly filmed “creepshots” of UK schoolgirls, hosting clips of men performing sex acts in front of teenagers on buses and indecent images of children as young as three.

One reason why I have mostly stopped viewing this site. No guarantees. Is it that much different from so many others?

 

[Revoltingest]

It's religious prudery masquadering as a human rights issue.

I apologize for that attempt at spelling.
Ding dang rassin frassin brain!

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I think it’s time that people wake-up and realize or remember that porn is not healthy or harmless. It is not “good or nice”
Bodies are not commodities to be used, abused, brought and sold or viewed as merchandise for one’s selfish pleasure.
Those are some of my thoughts. Express yours if you like.
https://endsexualexploitation.org/a...-nice/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email
Pornhub and Free Porn Are Neither "Good" Nor "Nice" - National Center on Sexual Exploitation

Which do you think is more likely to exploit a person: porn or religion?

 

[Skwim]

Which do you think is more likely to exploit a person: porn or religion?

I know!
I know!

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[InChrist]

Which do you think is more likely to exploit a person: porn or religion?

Both and both are bad.

 

[InChrist]

Once again you miss the point. Is there some abuse? Yes there is. No one has denied this. But abuse appears to be the exception rather than the rule.

You also lose the argument even worse by bringing child pornography into it. Do you understand why?

That’s your perspective, which you are free to have, though I think you are mistaken and that abuse and coercion are the norm and the more one views and becomes dependent on porn the easier it becomes to descend into more deviant forms, such as child pornography which has increased tremendously...

The Internet Is Overrun With Images of Child Sexual Abuse. What Went Wrong?




I hope you continue to at least research the subject.

 

[InChrist]

Yes, because they are either underground or the people working in the porn industry are reticent to speak up about abuse because of the social stigma.
If the porn industry was really in the open (not stigmatized by religious zealotry) and well regulated, much of the issues would disappear. If porn production was not stigmatized an a woman or man was not shunned for acting in or producing in a film, there would be no need for trafficking. Why risk an illegal activity when you can simply place an ad in the paper and get applicants?
You seem to be concerned about the negative things that sometimes are associated with porn, and that's good, but offer no objections to the porn itself. In other words, it sounds like if there was no trafficking and people signed up for it voluntarily and were paid and treated well, it would be okay with you, right? And you have not provided a clear definition of what porn means to you.

Also, just because some porn is exploitative it does not follow that all porn is exploitative.

I don’t think legalization or regulation would help matters and from the accounts of victims who have escaped victimization in the sex industry they don’t either. Just look at Nevada which has legal prostitution, yet still a proliferation of illegal sex work going on.

Besides that, as I posted previously porn and prostitution is not real sexual intimacy which is intended to based in a loving, caring personal relationship. Porn and prostitution are illegitimate sex, imitation, and a lie that exploits all involved.

 

[Subduction Zone]

That’s your perspective, which you are free to have, though I think you are mistaken and that abuse and coercion are the norm and the more one views and becomes dependent on porn the easier it becomes to descend into more deviant forms, such as child pornography which has increased tremendously...

The Internet Is Overrun With Images of Child Sexual Abuse. What Went Wrong?




I hope you continue to at least research the subject.

In answer to the increase it is more than two fold. First off technology improves every year. That mans that the ability to detect child porn has almost certainly improved. A large part of the increase is almost certainly due to that. In fact probably the majority. Second the definition of what is "child pron" has probably been expanded. That too would result in an increase. And third, and probably the smallest part of the increase would be more people accessing it.

But the topic is not "child porn". Why bring it up? It is not the same thing at all. In fact it amounts to an admission that you lost. If you acknowledge your loss I will drop it. Stick to the topic at hand please.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I don’t think legalization or regulation would help matters and from the accounts of victims who have escaped victimization in the sex industry they don’t either. Just look at Nevada which has legal prostitution, yet still a proliferation of illegal sex work going on.

Besides that, as I posted previously porn and prostitution is not real sexual intimacy which is intended to based in a loving, caring personal relationship. Porn and prostitution are illegitimate sex, imitation, and a lie that exploits all involved.

That is because Nevada's "legalization" is a joke. It really is not an answer. Sex workers have their own answer and it makes quite a bit more sense.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Both and both are bad.

Are you approaching this from the angle of "I don't have a religion; I have a relationship with God" or something?

 

[InChrist]

Are you approaching this from the angle of "I don't have a religion; I have a relationship with God" or something?

Definitely.
The Savior, Jesus Christ is a risen, living, eternal Person.

 

[InChrist]

In answer to the increase it is more than two fold. First off technology improves every year. That mans that the ability to detect child porn has almost certainly improved. A large part of the increase is almost certainly due to that. In fact probably the majority. Second the definition of what is "child pron" has probably been expanded. That too would result in an increase. And third, and probably the smallest part of the increase would be more people accessing it.

But the topic is not "child porn". Why bring it up? It is not the same thing at all. In fact it amounts to an admission that you lost. If you acknowledge your loss I will drop it. Stick to the topic at hand please.

I bring it up because it’s connected and child porn is growing exponentially. People that watch porn online in crease the demand and may be watching child or coerced victims.

FYI...

“In the last few months, there have been several shocking cases of sex trafficking and child rape films that were hosted on Pornhub. A 15-year-old girl who had been missing for a year was finally found after her mother was tipped off that her daughter was being featured in videos on the site — 58 such videos of her rape and sexual abuse were discovered on Pornhub.”


“Also in recent news was the case of 22 women who were deceived and coerced by Michael Pratt, owner of GirlsDoPorn, into performing sex acts on film that were subsequently uploaded to Pornhub. These women sued GirlsDoPorn and wona $12.7 million lawsuit against the company. According to a federal indictment, Pratt and his co-conspirators produced filmed child rape and sexual abuse content and trafficked a minor. Pratt reportedly fled the United States for New Zealand and is currently wanted on a federal warrant.”

”You see, Pornhub is complicit in the trafficking of these women and minors and probably thousands more like them.”




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[Ayjaydee]

I bring it up because it’s connected and child porn is growing exponentially. People that watch porn online in crease the demand and may be watching child or coerced victims.

FYI...

“In the last few months, there have been several shocking cases of sex trafficking and child rape films that were hosted on Pornhub. A 15-year-old girl who had been missing for a year was finally found after her mother was tipped off that her daughter was being featured in videos on the site — 58 such videos of her rape and sexual abuse were discovered on Pornhub.”


“Also in recent news was the case of 22 women who were deceived and coerced by Michael Pratt, owner of GirlsDoPorn, into performing sex acts on film that were subsequently uploaded to Pornhub. These women sued GirlsDoPorn and wona $12.7 million lawsuit against the company. According to a federal indictment, Pratt and his co-conspirators produced filmed child rape and sexual abuse content and trafficked a minor. Pratt reportedly fled the United States for New Zealand and is currently wanted on a federal warrant.”

”You see, Pornhub is complicit in the trafficking of these women and minors and probably thousands more like them.”




Sign the Petition

So bring an action against pornhub if you think theres a case

 

[We Never Know]

I think it’s time that people wake-up and realize or remember that porn is not healthy or harmless. It is not “good or nice”
Bodies are not commodities to be used, abused, brought and sold or viewed as merchandise for one’s selfish pleasure.
Those are some of my thoughts. Express yours if you like.
Pornhub and Free Porn Are Neither "Good" Nor "Nice" - National Center on Sexual Exploitation

IMO porn doesn't exploit people, people exploit porn.

 

[Mock Turtle]

IMO porn doesn't exploit people, people exploit porn.

A bit like how we exploit advertising?

 

[InChrist]

So bring an action against pornhub if you think theres a case

I have never seen or been in involved with porn hub so it would not accomplish much for me to bring action against them, but there already is a case and lawsuit in progress.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I bring it up because it’s connected and child porn is growing exponentially. People that watch porn online in crease the demand and may be watching child or coerced victims.

FYI...

“In the last few months, there have been several shocking cases of sex trafficking and child rape films that were hosted on Pornhub. A 15-year-old girl who had been missing for a year was finally found after her mother was tipped off that her daughter was being featured in videos on the site — 58 such videos of her rape and sexual abuse were discovered on Pornhub.”


“Also in recent news was the case of 22 women who were deceived and coerced by Michael Pratt, owner of GirlsDoPorn, into performing sex acts on film that were subsequently uploaded to Pornhub. These women sued GirlsDoPorn and wona $12.7 million lawsuit against the company. According to a federal indictment, Pratt and his co-conspirators produced filmed child rape and sexual abuse content and trafficked a minor. Pratt reportedly fled the United States for New Zealand and is currently wanted on a federal warrant.”

”You see, Pornhub is complicit in the trafficking of these women and minors and probably thousands more like them.”




Sign the Petition

How is that PornHub's fault if people upload illegal material to it? People do with that with video sites. It happens all the time with YouTube. Should YouTube be shut down?