Politics: Can Robots Change Us?

[Brickjectivity]

This is a practical question. Assuming someone makes a self replicating robot that gathers its own raw materials, will human politics and society allow that to make the world a better place?

1. It is possible to make such a robot with current technology. I think at this point in time we currently have the technology to make a very smart (but oversized) self - reproducing bug-like creature. It would be quite difficult to make one that could reproduce and collect the materials required for reproduction; but it could be done. It would take many thousands of hours of interdisciplinary effort between materials scientists, engineers and computing specialists.

2. We could employ it in numerous ways: farming, landscaping, climate change reversal, and many more. Many forms of dangerous and strenuous labor could become unnecessary.

3. These kinds of robots could form a basis for the next generation which would be able to do more complex tasks. In fact within 50 years the need for work could be optional.

Would this be good or bad?

 

[Revoltingest]

So this thread isn't about adult diapers?

 

[Spirit of Light]

Bad for humanity

 

[Brickjectivity]

So this thread isn't about adult diapers?

It absolutely can be. Imagine the savings on hospice care if you like. I think, sure, robots can be made good enough to change patients. I'm all for it as long as its safe. In Tokyo they may already have bots that can do it.

 

[Brickjectivity]

Bad for humanity

How would it be worse than what we already have?

 

[Spirit of Light]

How would it be worse than what we already have?

Humans will lose jobs, government will be able to use robots against humans in wars, and so on.
If we put robots in all human parts of life, where will compassion, caring, human touch go? we wil lose our self to robots. no thank you

 

[suncowiam]

This is a practical question. Assuming someone makes a self replicating robot that gathers its own raw materials, will human politics and society allow that to make the world a better place?

1. It is possible to make such a robot with current technology. I think at this point in time we currently have the technology to make a very smart (but oversized) self - reproducing bug-like creature. It would be quite difficult to make one that could reproduce and collect the materials required for reproduction; but it could be done. It would take many thousands of hours of interdisciplinary effort between materials scientists, engineers and computing specialists.

2. We could employ it in numerous ways: farming, landscaping, climate change reversal, and many more. Many forms of dangerous and strenuous labor could become unnecessary.

3. These kinds of robots could form a basis for the next generation which would be able to do more complex tasks. In fact within 50 years the need for work could be optional.

Would this be good or bad?

Robots are not guided by evolution and they are not "living organisms."

I don't see anyone being able to create a self-reproducing robot in this generation. I just do not see it happening, really. The base material for robots do not circulate in our environment as compared to the organic material required by animals. The infrastructure required to do so is laborious and expensive.

 

[Nakosis]

This is a practical question. Assuming someone makes a self replicating robot that gathers its own raw materials, will human politics and society allow that to make the world a better place?

1. It is possible to make such a robot with current technology. I think at this point in time we currently have the technology to make a very smart (but oversized) self - reproducing bug-like creature. It would be quite difficult to make one that could reproduce and collect the materials required for reproduction; but it could be done. It would take many thousands of hours of interdisciplinary effort between materials scientists, engineers and computing specialists.

2. We could employ it in numerous ways: farming, landscaping, climate change reversal, and many more. Many forms of dangerous and strenuous labor could become unnecessary.

3. These kinds of robots could form a basis for the next generation which would be able to do more complex tasks. In fact within 50 years the need for work could be optional.

Would this be good or bad?

Sure and what happens when the robots go on strike for equal rights?

 

[Brickjectivity]

Humans will lose jobs, government will be able to use robots against humans in wars, and so on.
If we put robots in all human parts of life, where will compassion, caring, human touch go? we wil lose our self to robots. no thank you

Those are problems we already face. Those things are already being done. Flying drones are robots, and there are war robot technologies such as robotic dogs and even upright walkers. Humans are being replaced at the cash registers. Janitors are being replaced. Wars can already be fought without humans.

 

[suncowiam]

Humans will lose jobs, government will be able to use robots against humans in wars, and so on.
If we put robots in all human parts of life, where will compassion, caring, human touch go? we wil lose our self to robots. no thank you

Humans will gain time and value.

I think you're shorting yourself. Is your goal to work 9-5 for the rest of your life?

 

[Quintessence]

It would be what it is.

I pretty much reject notions of making "the world" a "better" place (or worse place) on the whole. Such assessments are value-driven and subjective. The question to ask is "would this change the world in a way that is in alignment with my values?"

No, it would not. Though nor is it necessarily opposed. I just think it is a bad idea on the whole when humans have proven themselves to be irresponsible stewards of technology in general over the past two hundred years.

 

[Brickjectivity]

Sure and what happens when the robots go on strike for equal rights?

That is not possible with current tech. Current tech would allow for terraforming, scouting, gathering, manufacturing and transportation. What I am asking about is if robotics become available to the average person, freeing us from manual labor and from scarcity, can it be good for us? I'm not asking whether its good for robots to go to war or if its good that cashiers are being replaced. Those things are already a done deal.

 

[Spirit of Light]

Those are problems we already face. Those things are already being done. Flying drones are robots, and there are war robot technologies such as robotic dogs and even upright walkers. Humans are being replaced at the cash registers. Janitors are being replaced. Wars can already be fought without humans.

And you welcome a sosial system where human beings become of no use ? why do you want to deveopment a system that will make humans actually loste their jobs because companies and governments will replace human worker with robots? what are human beings do ?

 

[Brickjectivity]

It would be what it is.

I pretty much reject notions of making "the world" a "better" place (or worse place) on the whole. Such assessments are value-driven and subjective. The question to ask is "would this change the world in a way that is in alignment with my values?"

No, it would not. Though nor is it necessarily opposed. I just think it is a bad idea on the whole when humans have proven themselves to be irresponsible stewards of technology in general over the past two hundred years.

I don't disagree. Lets say we aren't necessarily making the world a better place, but we get rid of scarcity and take care of pollution. What needs to be done, next?

 

[Spirit of Light]

Humans will gain time and value.

I think you're shorting yourself. Is your goal to work 9-5 for the rest of your life?

I would not mind working the rest of my life. i have been unemployed over longer times and it is not fun. after some time one become bored. But ofcourse from a spiritual pow you can say ok then i would have time to really cultivate buddhism. but not everyone can do that.

 

[Brickjectivity]

And you welcome a sosial system where human beings become of no use ?

I am not sure why this is being implied. That has already happened to some degree and is already becoming more so. For purposes of this thread I neither reject nor accept it.

why do you want to deveopment a system that will make humans actually loste their jobs because companies and governments will replace human worker with robots? what are human beings do ?

Do I want to? I'm inquiring what happens if we resolve scarcity. I'm not proposing a marxist society or any particular society. I'm asking can we manage a society without scarcity.

 

[Spirit of Light]

I am not sure why this is being implied. That has already happened to some degree and is already becoming more so. For purposes of this thread I neither reject nor accept it.


Do I want to? I'm inquiring what happens if we resolve scarcity. I'm not proposing a marxist society or any particular society. I'm asking can we manage a society without scarcity.

If Robots take over every job, how do people earn money? What happens we someone need a doctor? should we go to a robot doctor?

Personally i feel we already today have to muc technoloy in our life

 

[Brickjectivity]

If Robots take over every job, how do people earn money? What happens we someone need a doctor? should we go to a robot doctor?

Personally i feel we already today have to muc technoloy in our lfe

I agree, but that is what is already happening. That is likely the future. I don't mean to argue for it to happen.

 

[suncowiam]

I would not mind working the rest of my life. i have been unemployed over longer times and it is not fun. after some time one become bored. But ofcourse from a spiritual pow you can say ok then i would have time to really cultivate buddhism. but not everyone can do that.

Let me suggest to you that one path to more time is having robots work for us which is basically automation. That does sound scary but since I'm a computer engineer, I can suggest dangerous robots like those depicted in fiction are just that, fictitious.

By technical definition, something as simple as your coffee maker can be considered a robot. It just automates what you and I could do so we can focus on other things.

 

[suncowiam]

If Robots take over every job, how do people earn money? What happens we someone need a doctor? should we go to a robot doctor?

Personally i feel we already today have to muc technoloy in our life

Our current concept of economy and money has to change.

Currency will evolve.