That's what Oriana Fallaci said:
Do you agree with her?
That politics is the sublimation of lying.
Do you agree with her?
That politics is the sublimation of lying.
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Politicians need to lie to be politicians. Do you agree?
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mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
That's what Oriana Fallaci said:
Do you agree with her?
That politics is the sublimation of lying.
Well, we are all doing politics in these threads, so we all lie.
I am not that special and neither are you.
That's what Oriana Fallaci said:
Do you agree with her?
That politics is the sublimation of lying.
Of course you have to tell people what they want to hear to get them to vote for you.
You just need to make promises in a way that is deniable.
Like a con man. Make everyone think they are getting what they want before they realize they weren't actually promised anything.
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I am a Christian.Well, we are all doing politics in these threads, so we all lie.
I am not that special and neither are you.
I never lie.
Do you?
Well...politics is something serious. I wouldn't define it as the domain of little lies. Or white lies.
I would define it as the domain of the 10th bolgia, 8th circle in Dante's Inferno.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
I am a Christian.
I never lie.
Do you?
Well, we all have biases. Some of us just think that it is everybodyelse that have them. So what are your biases?
Not quite.
In your country for instance, I have seen politicians claiming that they were for peace, and then they destroyed the negotiation process between Ukraine and Russia.
They didn't win the elections.
I don't.
I don't consider the nationalist party of Italy perfect. Not at all.
There are warmongers within it. And they know the populace knows who they are.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Do you as you have any biases? I have myself biases. Do you?
I am a Christian.
I never lie.
Do you?
I lie when it suits my purpose. However it very rarely does.
HonestJoe
Well-Known Member
In part, but the conflation of politicians, diplomats and (though she didn't explicitly add) government officials confuses matters.
In actual political campaigns or debates, I don't think lying is necessary, though being an entirely honest politician would be much more difficult in most modern political environments, so any honest ones tend not to (or don't want to) rise to higher office. In diplomacy and certainly elements of government, it can often be necessary or advisable to lie (or at least not reveal the full truth), but unfortunately, many of those valid circumstances can bleed in to the political side, where the motives and methods will be somewhat different.
I think this is just a broader example of the fundamental problem; that the characteristics which make someone an effective politician are almost entirely opposite to the characteristics which make someone an effective public servant.
Absolutely not.
If I had, I would say that Russia is a perfect country.
No, they need to modernize themselves. They need a much more democratic and pluralist approach.
But it 100,000 better than certain Middle Eastern countries, so I cannot ignore the log and focus on the speck of dust.
Altfish
Veteran Member
I thought he was a hero.
he disappointed me enormously.
Well...apparently you do side with Johnson more than I do.
So that's how I know you're no socialist.
Altfish
Veteran Member
Appeasement is defeat to the country being occupied.
That's what Oriana Fallaci said:
Do you agree with her?
That politics is the sublimation of lying.
Politicians speak to a wider audience, so they might tend to bend what they say depending on who they're trying to reach. They may tell outright lies, or sometimes they bend the truth in such a way that it might come across like lying.
The successful politicians are those who know how to tell the people what they want to hear. The people can be blamed for wanting to hear it.
People don't really want "the truth" from politicians. They want reassurances that everything is going to be okay.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Yeah, not only do you speak for all Europeans. You also speak for all socialists.
Well, here is some in Danish.
Udenrigspolitik og forsvar - Socialistisk Folkeparti
International handel skal også gavne fattige lande. Mere internationalt samarbejde, mindre krig. Klimakampen i Arktis
sf.dk
Just use an auto-translate and ask if you have to.
It's wishful thinking.
But it's always lying, de facto.
They convince themselves that a war is just, but actually they were bribed by the banking sewer who will enormously benefit from the sale of warfare.
Sometimes.
Sometimes they demand that their voters approve of their agenda.
I want the truth, the ugly truth from the ones I vote for.
Oriana Fallaci: write always the truth. It hurts as excruciatingly as surgical scalpels. But it heals.
Interesting.Yeah, not only do you speak for all Europeans. You also speak for all socialists.
Well, here is some in Danish.
Udenrigspolitik og forsvar - Socialistisk Folkeparti
International handel skal også gavne fattige lande. Mere internationalt samarbejde, mindre krig. Klimakampen i Arktis
Just use an auto-translate and ask if you have to.
Is there a page speaking of workers' rights too?