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Featured Political Neutrality Please! (I mean my brothers and sisters)

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by thomas t, Jan 23, 2021.

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  1. thomas t

    thomas t non-denominational Christian

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    as bad as discrimination may be, and I think it's bad, it's still good if people do something for refugees or homeless people (@Estro Felino ).
     
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    And in fact with a different financial system, based upon labor as right and not as scarse resource, we can help them both.:);)
     
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    If by neutrality you mean being non-partisan, I guess it depends what the political options are in terms of what parties exist in one's country. I don't see how any person genuinely concerned about the material conditions of their fellow man could exempt themselves from the entire political process, as public policy has a direct impact on how wealth, goods, and services are distributed in society.
     
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    The Bible also says to obey governments.

    Separating yourself from society can be seen as either a political stance or a neutral stance dependent on what your reasoning for it is. If you do it because you are saying the system is BS then that is political. If you are saying that you should obey the government and not take a side, obey whichever one is in charge, then that isn't political. Christianity has the understanding that Kingdoms and government are set in place by God for our benefit, so it doesn't promote acting against them because that would be challenging God's authority UNLESS you are standing up for doing God's will.

    Now, to contradict myself here, I would say that since Jesus is in charge of a heavenly Kingdom, and Christians are part of that Kingdom, and that said Kingdom is planning to destroy earthly Kingdoms, the very core of Christianity is to be political in the sense that they support the heavenly Kingdom.
     
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    Fair enough.
    Jesus is just normally portrayed as a political figure regardless. Sometimes even unintentionally so. Which is kind of interesting
    I do not like it when Christians become politicised though. It’s not been a great track record for the Church, imo.
    That’s not to say Christians themselves shouldn’t have political opinions, of course. Just that when the church does get involved, some actions that are un-Christ like seem to occur
     
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    But if you think it's bad, why aren't you asking for Christians to behave better?
     
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    Right, Jesus wasn't a politician, he did Not even get involved in the issues of the day between the Jews and Romans but remained Neutral.
    When the people wanted Jesus for their king, Jesus declined - see John 6:15
    Jesus would Not govern over Earth at that time frame - see Luke 19:11-15

    Yes, Hitler's Germany should teach a lesson
    See if this link works
    http://www.nobeliefs.com/nazis.htm
     
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    Although, the point of His attack was against those profiting off of God’s people at the Temple, not politics.
     
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    For the most part, I agree. Although, I believe Christians living in the U.S. have the privilege and responsibility to vote for those whose policies most closely line up with the Bible, without getting into idolizing a politician.
     
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    You say that as if they're mutually exclusive things.
     
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    The government of the time was under the Roman Empire. The Temple was under the authority of the Jews. It was Jews who were taking financial advantage of fellow Jews to make money. That is what Jesus was angered over, not the political system.
     
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    Why don't you just speak for yourself, and let others act according to their lives? Because: "Political Neutrality Please! (I mean my brothers and sisters)" seems like you're trying to boss people around as if you're some kind leader of the Christian's.

    Are you an authority figure in Christianity..?
     
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    Wouldn't it be true that everyone has individual talents, and that sometimes Christian's can be politicians, actors, lawyers, tax collectors, carpenters, counselors, firefighters, etc..?

    ...There should be no need to exclude certain professions, or interests from the Christian life, if it's in good conscience.
     
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    Spot on, if you ask me!
     
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    Just don't be a sheeple. You won't win popularity contests talking about the truth of politics but I do it anyway. Trump and Biden are controlled. There is no political solution with dems and repubs.

    I know people don't want to hear me. They'd rather believe in politicians like Trump or Obama. The scripture says don't put your trust in princes.
     
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    The Scriptures say : Be as pure as doves and as prudent as serpents.
     
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    Yeah, you are very correct. That is why it is good to distinguish between what Jesus supposedly taught in the Bible, what early Christians believed and what Christians have believed throughout the ages. Jesus has been politicised since it became the state religion of Rome, because state religions serve the state's agenda, and so he was used in politics as wars. If we look at the reformation, we see both a theological agenda and a political one, which is why Henry VIII was involved.

    Church and state would be separate as a rule. We have seen how the Holy Roman Empire and the Byzantine Empire were affected when church and politics got mixed.

    Politicians will also use the religion to manipulate believers, not by appealing to secular politics, but by saying that true believers vote for such and such a person or party.
     
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    I do find it interesting to contrast Eastern Orthodoxy with Western Christianity.
    I don’t know who is closer to the early Christians. I would assume Eastern Orthodoxy, but I am largely ignorant on the subject so I don’t know.

    My Uncle who went to a Catholic boarding school and largely adopted the “culture” often laments to me that Christ depends entirely on the lens of the person talking about him. Meaning he seems to be able to adapt to any political stance at the drop of the hat, with some “interesting” interpretations being the cause.
     
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    I am also mostly ignorant. When we think of Christianity during the middle ages we think of Rome, but everybody seems to ignore the Byzantine Empire which didn't even go through the Dark Ages because they didn't lose information as they weren't raided and destroyed until the Turks defeated them much later. I do know that the two have Trinitarian theology that differs.

    Your Uncle is very correct. This adaptability applies to all followers of religions..
     
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    Oh wow. That’s interesting. I knew the Byzantine Empire was important. But I either forgot what I learnt or it was just through games like Assassins Creed lol

    I agree. It can be a rather potent tool
     
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