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"Police: Woman killed man who fired AR-15-style rifle into party crowd
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Suave
Simulated character
There was the retired police officer security guard who shot the armor wearing racist shooter whom the armed security guard could not keep from shooting his racist; gunman's AR-15 massacring the armed security guard and 9 shoppers in Buffalo, New York.
(edit) *I would not expect a suicide mission by police to take down a barricaded gunman who has the lethal fire power of an AR-15. If we as a society allow private ownership of semi-auto firearms, then we should expect the lethal consequences*
Guitar's Cry
Disciple of Pan
Being armed also carries an intense amount of responsibility, not only that you may have to shoot an individual (something I doubt many armed civilians are ready for), but also that that gun isn't going to hurt an innocent.
No. But I was a competitive shooter.
So I'm familiar with what guns can do.
And yet...civilians use guns successfully
in self defense regularly.
As for your role playing...I've no idea how
indicative that is of results in an actual
assault scenario.
In a role playing situation?
Or is this in documented real world shootings?
We Never Know
No Slack
And as I said I may have missed it.
So in your opinion you think its best to leave teachers unarmed even though shoooters(no matter if guns are legal or illegal) target schools, leaving the kids and teachers vulnerable to the shooter until they can call someone with a gun to come save them, even though it could be quite a while before they can.
We Never Know
No Slack
Maybe he should have stayed retired. A head shot beats body armor any day.
And thats a problem I have with many police shootings. They are trained to shoot. So why shoot to kill an unarmed guy running because he is running. Shoot him in the leg, shoulder, etc.
@Revoltingest. Can tell you about that.
It is indeed a lot of responsibility.
But teachers have advantages over cops.
- They're on site when the school is attacked.
- They've more incentive to act in defense.
- They're able to recognize who is the perp,
& who is an innocent. Cops have less
awareness of the situation.
In my training, center of mass is best.
But if body armor, pelvis is a big target, & will stop a person.
Head is small, but still an option.
We Never Know
No Slack
If I were a cop and the person isnt armed, I would shoot for the legs or shoulder to avoid vital organs. It would still bring them down. However If they are armed I would shoot to kill because a leg or shoulder shot leaves them to fire back and kill me.
Why shoot an unarmed person at all?
We Never Know
No Slack
Right or wrong, It happens when they run.
"Good guy" with a gun... A myth. Like any other.
Opinion | The myth of the "good guy with a gun," debunked by a veteran
74x12
Well-Known Member
Gun restriction laws do not necessarily protect people from gun violence. Let's take Norway for example which does have gun restriction laws similar to what liberals would like to see in America. It did not protect Norway from suffering one of the worst mass shooting events in world history. 77 people killed by Anders Breivik.
Then again; in recent times people have used vehicles in America and places like France as weapons to kill a lot of people. Just plowing them down. It's quite deadly in certain situations.
Finally, improvised explosive devices have killed many people recently in middle eastern countries. There is no easy way to defend against these attacks.
There is no good excuse for taking guns. Murderers in America are fixated on guns because they've been programmed with TV shows, movies and video games. So, every psycho in America fantasizes about running around putting bullets in people like they see in the movies.
But in other countries psychos are doing even more deadly suicide bombing attacks. Guns in the hands of the good guys can help defend against not just other guns but against other forms of deadly attacks.
Then again; in recent times people have used vehicles in America and places like France as weapons to kill a lot of people. Just plowing them down. It's quite deadly in certain situations.
Finally, improvised explosive devices have killed many people recently in middle eastern countries. There is no easy way to defend against these attacks.
There is no good excuse for taking guns. Murderers in America are fixated on guns because they've been programmed with TV shows, movies and video games. So, every psycho in America fantasizes about running around putting bullets in people like they see in the movies.
But in other countries psychos are doing even more deadly suicide bombing attacks. Guns in the hands of the good guys can help defend against not just other guns but against other forms of deadly attacks.
When lives are saved from gun violence it is still an indictment against guns for the violence they cause in the first place.
We Never Know
No Slack
In this case it was a good woman with a gun.
We Never Know
No Slack
Sure. A guy does a home invasion with a knife. Cops show up and shoot him.
Thats gun violence. Lets disarm the police.
Suave
Simulated character
I can usually hit a head sized nearby target standing still, but often miss a mid ranged moving head sized target. So I would then aim for the larger sized body at mid range. If this target were wearing body armor and returned fire at me not wearing body armor, then I would be likely screwed.
Either way. The number of good guys with guns solving problems, is astronomically lower then the amount of idiots causing problems with them
And often results to big payouts by government
to the victims. And on rare occasions, cops put
in prison for the crime.
Innocent people can have good reason to flee
the cops.
In any event, the reason for some to want guns for self defense is because there are so many guns in society and they feel threatened. They acknowledge society is dangerous due to so many guns. Yet there is no admission that reducing the number of guns in society would decrease the threat they feel. They want more guns, and this is irrational given the prevalences of guns in society makes them feel unsafe.