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Police Responded to Protests Against Police Violence With Even More Wantonly Brutal Violence

Saint Frankenstein

Wanderer From Afar
Premium Member
I see people often asking why the protests have often devolved into angry, chaotic displays but it doesn't seem they want to consider the actions of the police in it. The mainstream media is doing all they can to spin a "law and order" narrative that glorifies the police as showing "great restraint" and portrays them as the victim due to being "outnumbered", despite being heavily armored with gas masks and heavily armed, while the vast majority of protesters wear regular street clothes with no protection from the gas, mace and projectiles shot at us. (Naomi Klein has made a salient point that using tear gas and mace on thousands of people during a pandemic spread through mucus membrane fluids qualifies as biological warfare.)

But the truth is out there, mostly on social media as everyday people around the nation share their reports, footage and pictures. I myself can attest that the mainstream narrative is not the reality as I saw a peaceful protest on Saturday devolve into a running battle through the street as the cops chased us down and terrorized us with "non-lethal" means which were still quite torturous, cause serious injuries and are panic-inducing (tear gas, mace, shooting projectiles at us, the use of a sound cannon and just straight up assault on non-violent protesters). I saw teens gassed and maced point blank in the face. A black Congresswoman was maced for trying to intervene in a confrontation. Idealistic young people whose only crime was practicing the great American tradition of non-violent protest for justice and civil disobedience (by being in the street).

Now let's read some takes from around the country:

"In New York City, police pepper-sprayed a black man with his hands in the air in the face at point-blank range. In San Antonio, police shot rubber bullets directly at a bystander filming with his phone. In Las Vegas, the police rushed a crowd of peaceful protestors yelling “Grab anybody!” In Dallas, police shot a teenage woman who was coming home from the grocery store in the face with a rubber bullet. In Minneapolis, the National Guard fired paint canisters at residents on their front porches after yelling “Light them up!” In Los Angeles, Boston, New York City, and Lakeland, Ohio, police plowed into protestors with their cars.

In Chicago, a police officer brandished his baton at a protestor and called him a “*****” and a “****ing ******.” In Philadelphia, police tackled and knelt on a black man while calling him a “*****.” In Dallas, the police shot a black man in the eye with a wooden round, injuring him seriously and leaving him bleeding profusely on the pavement. Seconds later the officers were heard laughing and singing “America, **** yeah.” In New York City, a police officer flashed a racist right-wing hand symbol. In Cincinnati, police officers lowered an American flag and replaced it with a “thin blue line” flag.

In Atlanta, two black non-protestors were driving home when police pepper sprayed and tased them, dragged them from their cars, and arrested them. In Denver, police shot rubber bullets and tear gas canisters at passing cars; when one man stepped out of his car and told them that his pregnant girlfriend was inside, they opened fire on the car. In Austin, the police shot a pregnant black woman in the abdomen with a bean bag round. She doubled over on the ground and screamed, “My baby! My baby!”

In Minneapolis, Las Vegas, Los Angeles, and other cities across America, the police aimed their fire at journalists who were clearly marked as and had verbally identified themselves as press. In Brooklyn, Minneapolis, and Philadelphia, the police attacked medics who announced themselves as medics, some of whom were in the process of tending to protesters’ wounds. In Columbus, police pepper sprayed Joyce Beatty, a black member of Congress, who was attempting to deescalate a confrontation. Police across the country demonstrated blatant racial bias in choosing who to arrest.

In New York City, Orlando, and Portland, Oregon police posed for sentimental photographs, kneeling before protestors in a press-friendly gesture of benevolence — before unleashing violence on protestors hours later. In Omaha, the police trampled over sitting protestors. In Erie, a police officer violently kicked a sitting protestor. In Salt Lake City, the police shoved an elderly man who walked with a cane and couldn’t hear commands to the ground. In New York City, a police officer walking by a woman shoved her so hard that when she fell it caused her to have a seizure.

In Washington, DC, the police fired tear gas canisters directly at the heads and faces of protestors on multiple occasions. Denver police fired rubber bullets directly into protestors’ faces, causing gruesome injuries. In La Mesa, California, a middle-aged black woman was shot in the face with a rubber bullet; the projectile lodged deep between her eyes, sending her to the ICU.

In Fort Wayne, Indiana, the police shot a white protestor in the eye with a tear gas canister. He is now blind in that eye. In Minneapolis, a photojournalist was shot in the eye with a rubber bullet. She is now blind in that eye.

In Louisville on Sunday, law enforcement shot and killed David “Yaya” McAtee, known around his neighborhood as “the BBQ man” because he made and sold barbecue there from a stand.

“Where he was killed is the neighborhood I grew up in. He was a fixture of the community,” says Robert LeVertis Bell, a candidate for Louisville Metro Council and a member of the Democratic Socialists of America. The police or National Guard, it’s still unclear which, shot into the crowd after they received incoming fire, authorities say. But “if anybody shot at the police, it wasn’t him,” explains Bell. “He was just coming home from work.”

Louisville is the same city where Breonna Taylor was killed in March. Louisville police shot Taylor, a black woman, eight times in her own home while looking for drugs. People in Louisville have been protesting Taylor’s death since before the killing of George Floyd in Minneapolis, which sparked uprisings across the country. McAtee’s death is yet another catalyst, adding fuel to the fire.

“There have been tons of protests across the city. I’ve been at several that were peaceful, and police out of nowhere just started attacking people,” says Bell. “Everything they’ve done at every turn seems to have escalated the conflict and the violence.”

Make no mistake, the police are the ones rioting. And they’re doing so with impunity."

This Weekend, Police Responded to Protests Against Police Violence With Even More Wantonly Brutal Violence

Make your choice as to which side of history you personally want to be on.
 
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PoetPhilosopher

Veteran Member
Make your choice as to which side of history you personally want to be on

Neither. I do know most protestors are innocent and good. Some of you have great causes which I very much support :) . But I won't protest because it scares me to death that someone in the group or multiple people will for real misbehave, then the cops will use it as an excuse to punish the group.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Wanderer From Afar
Premium Member
Neither. I do know most of you protestors are innocent and good. Some of you have great causes which I very much support :) . But I won't protest because it scares me to death that someone in the group or multiple people will for real misbehave, then the cops will use it as an excuse to punish the group.
There is no such thing as neutrality here. Now, you don't personally have to be in the streets, but you can show support in other ways.
 

PoetPhilosopher

Veteran Member
There is no such thing as neutrality here. Now, you don't personally have to be in the streets, but you can show support in other ways.

If I have to take a side, it's a hard pill to swallow but I would have to support the citizens making protest. Sometimes the push for freedom has to come in ways that do get a bit ugly looking, politically I mean. Though I'm not certain the overall efforts won't lead to steep nationwide repurcussions rather than nationwide awakening.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Wanderer From Afar
Premium Member
If I have to take a side, it's a hard pill to swallow but I would have to support the citizens making protest. Sometimes the push for freedom has to come in ways that do get a bit ugly looking, politically I mean. Though I'm not certain the overall efforts won't lead to steep nationwide repurcussions rather than nationwide awakening.
How is it a hard pill to swallow? Seems a rather easy choice to me - justice or authoritarian tyranny and oppression with impunity.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Wanderer From Afar
Premium Member
It's because I'm a pacifist and I don't see things ending well.
What does being a pacifist have to do with anything? Pacifists can protest. And at least we have a chance to change things, whereas it was guaranteed not to end well if we didn't try at all.
 

PoetPhilosopher

Veteran Member
What does being a pacifist have to do with anything? Pacifists can protest. And at least we have a chance to change things, whereas it was guaranteed not to end well if we didn't try at all.

I see things as resulting in war, really. The people in government lack understanding and will push back and push back and push back and never admit fault or guilt or take responsibility.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Wanderer From Afar
Premium Member
I see things as resulting in war, really. The people in government lack understanding and will push back and push back and push back and never admit fault or guilt or take responsibility.
So what, we just let business go on as usual? Sounds defeatist.
 

PoetPhilosopher

Veteran Member
So what, we just let business go on as usual? Sounds defeatist.

You're probably right. I've been trying to be cautious. Under ordinary circumstances, it's good to be cautious when gambling with one's life and freedoms. However, I think that ship has sailed, and I'm just sounding like those people in history too scared to stand up for themselves. I do thank people like you and Left Coast for your work protesting.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Wanderer From Afar
Premium Member
You're probably right. I've been trying to be cautious. Under ordinary circumstances, it's good to be cautious when gambling with one's life and freedoms. However, I think that ship has sailed, and I'm just sounding like those people in history too scared to stand up for themselves. I do thank people like you and Left Coast for your work protesting.
I agree and I can understand the sentiment of being cautious or even scared. I discovered I was braver than I thought on Saturday. Never been in a situation like that, although I've been to multiple demonstrations before. It's amazing what you can discover about yourself.

And, thank you.
 

Lyndon

"Peace is the answer" quote: GOD, 2014
Premium Member
I have an increased Appreciation for you Frank, you're an inspiration to many of us, this is just the worst situation, the government is incredibly corrupt and the police and military forces are completely out of hand, and I'm still totally scared of covid.
 

danieldemol

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
I support all the peaceful protesters, but only the violent ones who are responding directly to individual acts of police oppression. Ordinary citizens have as much responsibility to de-escalate as the police do.
Personally if I was in the US I would attend as a peaceful protester on the streets.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Wanderer From Afar
Premium Member
I have an increased Appreciation for you Frank, you're an inspiration to many of us, this is just the worst situation, the government is incredibly corrupt and the police and military forces are completely out of hand, and I'm still totally scared of covid.
It's becoming obvious that the State is at war with the people.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Wanderer From Afar
Premium Member
I support all the peaceful protesters, but only the violent ones who are responding directly to individual acts of police oppression. Ordinary citizens have as much responsibility to de-escalate as the police do.
Personally if I was in the US I would attend as a peaceful protester on the streets.
The actual protesters do try hard to de-escalate. I did it, myself. You see, what tends to happen is that the actual protesters get there in the morning or early afternoon and protest all day until the night falls. Then the miscreants tend to come out and get stupid after dark. A lot of the looting isn't even taking place in the area of the protests. They're just opportunists taking advantage of the police being unavailable.
 

Heyo

Veteran Member
From what I see and hear it seems as if the police is fighting for their "right" (by tradition) to be violent without repercussion. If the protests lead to a police reform, many of them will be out of a job or at least have to "endure" retraining in de-escalation, citizens rights and refraining from racism.
 

HonestJoe

Well-Known Member
Make your choice as to which side of history you personally want to be on.
"Sides" is the problem though. You (legitimately) condemn police violence but ignore all the protester violence, implying that neutrality or silence is complicity in that violence. Some people do the exact opposite, condemning the protester violence and implying silence as complicity. You're all right and wrong at the same time. Until you're capable of recognising that, you're just going to keep on beating each other up for being violent.

I'm perfectly capable of condemning violence regardless of who is doing it. I wouldn't do it on the streets of America though because it would probably get me killed.
 
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