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Physio-Kundalini Syndrome
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Gargovic Malkav
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I may be somewhat familiar with what they described. It's not always easy to tell the difference between the "awakened" state and the "psychotic" state but I believe I'm going crazy when I begin to believe I am the messiah and/or get extremely paranoid and get the feeling that I'm literally losing myself, or get extremely contemptuous of others.
In that state I'm also prone too see hidden messages directed at me in literally everything that is happening around and inside me.
I may sweat a lot when it happens though, but only when I drink lots of water or coffee(safe for the palms of my hands, which I think is genetic as my mother is quick to have sweaty hands too). But often I don't feel like eating or drinking at all and have to watch the clock to know when it's time to eat. I also pace back and forth so much that I sometimes had to force myself to sit or lie down because I felt my body was at its limit.
In my experience, this state of consciousness is usually triggered when I feel very anxious, but I've never had these states of mind before I had an interest in spirituality and/or religion. This may have to do with that spirituality encourages a way of thinking that is alien to the atheist/non-spiritual mind. I think that when an old and trusted sense of rationality that was so obvious to me, suddenly turns out not to be so obvious anymore, it can be tough on the brain to process all that.
Every time I feel this way, I've taught myself to be extremely wary because I prefer to cope with it in a way so that I can use it to my advantage.
And so that I won't have to be be dependent on medication. Besides, I've seen what this state of mind can to to others when dealt with in an unhealthy way and I don't want to follow their example.
The "speaking in tongues" thing is a habit I developed in my teenage years and not really dependent on my sense of spirituality. To me it's just something I like to do. It's like a chant that can have a soothing effect on me.
The signs they describe also reminds me of the state of consciousness and urges people can have when certain hallucinogens are used.
"Kundalini may unravel and arise from the base of the spine (or sometimes from the feet) due to spiritual practices, or in response to life events, and when this happens it may move gradually, uncoiling like a snake, or quickly and explosively, into the gut, the heart or the head. This event can be startling and chaotic, frightening or blissful, and it usually triggers months and years of new sensations and changes in the person who awakens it. It may feel like the body’s wiring has moved from 110 to 220, and it takes time to adapt to it. It is understood in the eastern tradition to be a significant adjunct to spiritual realization, but it is rarely recognized as such in western traditions, although Christian mystics have often been said to have intense energetic or physical problems."
What is Kundalini? — The Kundalini Guide
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
If practicing Kundalini is all that problematic then why should any one try it? Better go to a gym and have a work-out.
A snake uncoiling from the feet, into the gut, into the heart, into the brain, explosively!
God forbid. "lā ḥawla wa-lā quwwata ʾillā bi-llāhi"
A snake uncoiling from the feet, into the gut, into the heart, into the brain, explosively!
God forbid. "lā ḥawla wa-lā quwwata ʾillā bi-llāhi"
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All of what you are talking about is familiar to me. It makes sense that having a rich inner life that spirituality can encourage, that these states could potentially arise.
I have also noticed the similarities between illicit drug use... It is wise to make sure when hearing voices not to yell at ones friends, or family...
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Mental fitness is as important as physical.
From the outside looking in that is often the case, but what makes Western medicine the cure?
Gargovic Malkav
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I agree that it shouldn't be treated without carefulness and some skepticism. And for some it may be better to seek professional help. Maybe it's better for me too. Still, I choose to take the risk and see what I can learn from it. Besides, I have professional help near me in case I lose my marbles.
But it can indeed be very treacherous and destructive when fully embraced without any critical thinking. I falsely accused someone in that state a few times so it is indeed wise to realize that it doesn't magically make you all-knowing or invincible. On the contrary, one can be very vulnerable when one isn't very aware of themselves and don't take notes to learn from past experiences and experiences from others.
I went to the bank and got a free key ring with a one inch clear green plastic pig attached. Over the years, I started talking to the pig. Some thought that I was insane. But, I took the pig to psychology classes at college, and, though I don't have a degree in psychology, I believe that my pig has the equivalent, though the university had refused to grant a degree (they obviously are nuts--piggy is eminently qualified).
One day, while I was writhing on the floor, talking in tongues to God, in the asylum, I struck up a conversation with Napoleon Bonaparte. He even had his hand in his vest, like Napoleon. He's nuts, I'm Napoleon.
I had asked both God and piggy if I was insane, and they both told me that I was. That was a huge relief. Yet, the folks at the asylum wouldn't let me out.
So, I spent my days staring out of the window with the other Napoleon and piggy, commenting with Napoleon and piggy that the folks walking by were insane. They went about their daily lives making wars, polluting God's environment, which are all nutty things to do for the most intelligent creatures on the planet.
I had shouted to one of the passers-by that I was sane. He shouted back that sanity was not for me to decide, but for the people around me to decide.
Yet, there seemed to be a definition of sanity that transcended the definition of the masses.
The cheering masses who held Hitler in power were mass murderers....were they sane and the peaceful protestors nuts?
Were the cheering masses cheering on President George W. Bush sane, while witnessing wars against non-terrorist enemies? Were W. Bush's groupies sane when they overlooked torture camps and believed that W. Bush was on God's side, humble (as W. Bush claimed to be while ruling the US and the world), and "fighin' the Axis of Evil" as W. Bush had claimed?
I wondered if the bars on the windows of the asylum were to protect us from the masses, rather than the other way around.
Some say that beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Yet, many magazines feature beautiful models and porn stars. Is there a universal standard of beauty and a universal standard of sanity?
Certainly it is possible for the sane to do more harm than the insane.
Time for piggy to sleep now.....you can't get that beautiful without a beauty rest.
One day, while I was writhing on the floor, talking in tongues to God, in the asylum, I struck up a conversation with Napoleon Bonaparte. He even had his hand in his vest, like Napoleon. He's nuts, I'm Napoleon.
I had asked both God and piggy if I was insane, and they both told me that I was. That was a huge relief. Yet, the folks at the asylum wouldn't let me out.
So, I spent my days staring out of the window with the other Napoleon and piggy, commenting with Napoleon and piggy that the folks walking by were insane. They went about their daily lives making wars, polluting God's environment, which are all nutty things to do for the most intelligent creatures on the planet.
I had shouted to one of the passers-by that I was sane. He shouted back that sanity was not for me to decide, but for the people around me to decide.
Yet, there seemed to be a definition of sanity that transcended the definition of the masses.
The cheering masses who held Hitler in power were mass murderers....were they sane and the peaceful protestors nuts?
Were the cheering masses cheering on President George W. Bush sane, while witnessing wars against non-terrorist enemies? Were W. Bush's groupies sane when they overlooked torture camps and believed that W. Bush was on God's side, humble (as W. Bush claimed to be while ruling the US and the world), and "fighin' the Axis of Evil" as W. Bush had claimed?
I wondered if the bars on the windows of the asylum were to protect us from the masses, rather than the other way around.
Some say that beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Yet, many magazines feature beautiful models and porn stars. Is there a universal standard of beauty and a universal standard of sanity?
Certainly it is possible for the sane to do more harm than the insane.
Time for piggy to sleep now.....you can't get that beautiful without a beauty rest.
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BilliardsBall
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Many people have been damaged by a Kundalini Awakening, because they are opening themselves to demonic oppression.
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
My humble request to theist and atheist brothers and sisters. Kundalini and tantra of the commercial variety, IMHO, are a farce in Hinduism. Kindly keep away, don't be fooled. It is a trick, snake-oil, used by fake gurus to earn money. There are many other respectable, sane things in Hinduism, learn them.
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Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
Gargovic, please note I have edited my last post a bit.
"Vaccha, [any of these views] is a thicket of views, a wilderness of views, a contortion of views, a writhing of views, a fetter of views. It is accompanied by suffering, distress, despair, and fever, and it does not lead to disenchantment, dispassion, cessation; to calm, direct knowledge, full Awakening, Unbinding. Whoever speculates about these things would experience vexation and may go mad."
Gargovic, when you know practicing it is dangerous, why do you want to do it? Buddha said while describing 'acinteyya':And like I said before, I have professional help near me in case I go crazy and I have talked about it with these people.
Still, thanks for the gesture of concern.
"Vaccha, [any of these views] is a thicket of views, a wilderness of views, a contortion of views, a writhing of views, a fetter of views. It is accompanied by suffering, distress, despair, and fever, and it does not lead to disenchantment, dispassion, cessation; to calm, direct knowledge, full Awakening, Unbinding. Whoever speculates about these things would experience vexation and may go mad."
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Gargovic Malkav
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I don't practice kundalini or tantra, I'm just familiar with the symptoms they describe in such a "spiritual awakening". The reason why I like to study it is because I want to understand myself better and learn about life in general from altered states of consciousness. Besides, I prefer to learn to use it to my advantage or to cope with it instead trying to suppress it. Especially because suppression may involve the use of medication.
PearlSeeker
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Yes. A sense of some kind of heat in the body, difficult to fall asleep, speeding up of thought/creativity/associations, occasional confusion and delusion...
And yes, it was followed upon intense spiritual practice. It wasn't intentional. I didn't know anything about kundalini then. It was spontaneous. I just got more and more immersed in long and deep meditational pondering ... I wasn't able to handle it because I was unprepared, uninformed, without any physical teacher (but I felt spiritual guidance). Somehow I managed to ground it and calm it...
Later I looked for answers and found out it could be bursting of kundalini. Maybe I was just running faster than my feets could take. In mystical paths and classical yoga some self-discipline and inner purification is a prerequisite for meditational practice.
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
Gargovic, finding oneself does not require altered states of consciousness. But, of course, you would do it your way.