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Personality Disorders

Discussion in 'Psychology' started by The Hammer, Nov 24, 2021 at 5:12 PM.

  1. oldbadger

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    That weed is banned at all is just crazy, imo. If legal it could be sold and taxed, our police could focus upon other incidents, our prisons would be less full, and although there would be some casualties (as with alcoholism) the revenues would be huge, and the gang crimes not to many.
     
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    Each has a list of criteria that must be met in order to be diagnosed. One of them being that the disorder has to cause the person significant distress and/or impairment in their daily functioning.
     
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    oldbadger Skanky Old Mongrel!

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    Yes..... ECT was discovered by accident and then resorted to in many unsuitable situations. And the stories of folks being incarcerated for ages when care-in-the-community would have been so much more effective.
    Psychiatry has a long way to go before it can be more trusted, I think.
     
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    Have you ever heard of Cognitive Behavioral Therapy?
    It's a type of therapy focuses on both the acts and the experiences of the person. I just completed a course on it to deal with my panic and anxiety disorder and found it quite helpful. I can actually function again.
     
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    If the disorder causes the person distress and interferes with their ability to function, and meets all the other criteria, it is considered a disorder.
    So a person with OCD who cannot leave the house without first turning the lights off and on 45 times and checking the stove over and over, etc. is going to have that interfere with their ability to leave the house and carry on with their daily functions.

    I have panic disorder. I have debilitating panic attacks that are so bad that if I've even had one the day before I cannot go to work or if I have a social function coming up, I will have an attack and be unable to attend. So my panic disorder significantly interferes with my ability to perform daily tasks and to function in general. That's what makes it a disorder. (I've since gone to CBT therapy and I am happy to say that I no longer have to deal with these attacks on a daily basis. It worked!)
     
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    While the mechanism of action of many psychiatric medications is unknown, their effects and uses have been extensively studied. I've had extremely difficult experiences with some psych meds myself, but what better alternative do we have right now? Some untreated psychiatric conditions can be fatal, and others can even endanger others in addition to oneself if left untreated, as I said earlier. Do you have any demonstrably better way of addressing those than psychiatry?
     
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    Saint Frankenstein I'm not deaf, I'm just a real bad listener
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    Sure, it's called psychedelics. Nature gave us these tools eons ago. Also, being social, spending a lot of time outdoors in the sun, eating better, getting enough sleep, having a routine (especially when that tires you out by the end of the day) all help, too. I haven't taken any psych meds since January and it's like seeing in color and not black and white. It's wonderful.
     
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    The same is true for medical science.

    A friend of mine has epilepsy, and it's taken him about a good 15 years with his doctor to find just the right medication and just the right dosage to finally get it under control. And even so, he still has the occasional seizure now and then.
     
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    You could have all the weed you want if you lived in Canada.
     
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  10. Saint Frankenstein

    Saint Frankenstein I'm not deaf, I'm just a real bad listener
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    Or even Michigan! :rolleyes::D
     
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    I've known people who were opposed to taking meds and did all they could, including things like those you mentioned, and still ended up needing meds to get their health back on track. Severe schizophrenia and psychosis, for example, often continue causing debilitating hallucinations and paranoid delusions until meds are used. Sometimes there's just no way around that.

    Psychedelics also have associated risks, so they aren't fully benign either. Long-term use is especially prone to causing severe side effects.

    I'm happy for anyone whose condition resolves or is controllable without medication, since they do have some side effects most of the time. However, that doesn't mean everyone's condition is treatable without the help of meds, and there's nothing wrong with that.
     
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    There are a lot of promising studies going on right now with ketamine, MDMA and psilosybin.
     
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    Saint Frankenstein I'm not deaf, I'm just a real bad listener
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    Oh, I know that. I'm not saying people should stop their meds. That's a very personal decision. I have a sister with schizophrenia and she's better off on her meds. My issues are very different from that.
     
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    Fair enough. I'm glad you can stay safe and functional without meds. Sometimes they're not easy to be on.
     
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    I'm so sorry that your wife went through that. Glad that doctor was brought to justice.

    I am not a psychologist or psychiatrist. I only have a bachelor's in Psychology.
     
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    This impression seems to be a function of some bad experiences you've had. I'm sorry for those, but they don't invalidate the entire field to which people dedicate their entire careers in scientific education, research, and patient care.
     
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    It does have a rather chequered past - this is worth a read:

    Shrinks: The Untold Story of Psychiatry (2015) by Jeffrey A Lieberman, MD - an account of the painful history of psychiatry and associated treatments.
     
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    The only reason that I can just about understand something about your (past) panic attacks is that I had one in 1979 and will never forget it. I even remember the doctor's name who spoke with me over the phone, on that occasion in those circumstances he told me to drink alcohol which I did. I cannot remember how the attack ceased, only what it was like as I palpitated and could not draw much breath, head banging .... I thought I was toast.

    A friend's mother had OCD and on the rare occasions when she was encouraged to venture out (for some wedding, or a funeral maybe) she would rise very very early and sparkle clean the whole house, and when it was time to leave she would clean her way to the back door (never the front) and on out.

    The word 'disorder' should really be scrapped, I think. Your example of a person checking the lights and stove 45 times...... this is a disability no less than if they could not walk, or could not see. imo.
     
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    Sure.... thank you. :)

    Pretty good as far as I am concerned.
    I specialised in such close details about human actions, movement and 'tells' that I had to self learn, self teach, ....RF has recently taught me the term 'autodidact' which is what I needed to be.

    Although I became well known in the circles that I worked, made training films about my studies for several national retailers, nothing I did could ever reach an accuracy above about 60%.

    I must go........
     
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    Remarkable overlap here between the way that anti-evolutionists, anti-vaxxers, and anti-psychiatry/psychology folks reason. "I've done my own research..." "This one time let me tell you what happened to me/someone I know..." "Science has been wrong before!"

    Do you have any formal education or professional experience in the fields you're criticizing? "Well no..."
     
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