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Personality Disorders

Aštra’el

Aštara, Blade of Aštoreth
Licensed mental health professionals such as psychiatrists and psychologists. We would listen to them for the same reason(s) we listen to any expert when they speak on their field of expertise.

Licensed or not, their “field of expertise” carries a tremendous amount of opinion and subjectivity.

I have nothing against psychologists. I understand and approve of their passion for interpreting the human mind... but I personally feel no obligation to just blindly accept all of their interpretations without question- their subjective viewpoints of what is “acceptable” or “normal” and their way of categorizing every pattern that they find “eccentric”, “unusual”, “abnormal” or “unacceptable” into “personality disorders”.
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
How does your brother's schizophrenia show itself?

Brother in law, i personally have no siblings

All cluster A of the psychology today article. Borderline personality disorder from cluster B and avoidant personality disorder from cluster C... i am not sure if a/he is a brilliant artist or b/ he also has obsessive-compulsive personality disorder in relation to his work

And some other traits common to schizophrenia.
 

Left Coast

This Is Water
Staff member
Premium Member
Licensed or not, their “field of expertise” carries a tremendous amount of opinion and subjectivity.

I have nothing against psychologists. I understand and approve of their passion for interpreting the human mind... but I personally feel no obligation to just blindly accept all of their interpretations without question- their subjective viewpoints of what is “acceptable” or “normal” and their way of categorizing every pattern that they find “eccentric”, “unusual”, “abnormal” or “unacceptable” into “personality disorders”.

I don't think anyone's asking you to "blindly accept all their interpretations." It might behoove you to do some reading of peer reviewed literature on personality disorders (or any other condition listed in the DSM) if you're curious about evidence and how evidence-based practices and guidelines are developed.
 

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
Brother in law, i personally have no siblings

All cluster A of the psychology today article. Borderline personality disorder from cluster B and avoidant personality disorder from cluster C... i am not sure if a/he is a brilliant artist or b/ he also has obsessive-compulsive personality disorder in relation to his work

And some other traits common to schizophrenia.
That's most sad....... so many disabilities, but I expect that he receives understanding and help from all around.
 

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
It might behoove you to do some reading of peer reviewed literature on personality disorders (or any other condition listed in the DSM) if you're curious about evidence and how evidence-based practices and guidelines are developed.

Do they all agree, these psychology equals? I doubt it!

Take one condition mentioned in the list...... obsessive compulsive disorder.
I wonder what the difference is between 'determined exactness' and 'obsessive compulsion' and whether either of these actions are in fact (any kinds of) disorders.

What a psycho might evaluate as a disorder could be an absolute necessity in some positions, jobs and responsibilities. What a psycho might evaluate as 'paranoia' could be an absolute necessity in others, etc.

Ask a group of specialists there questions and then compare their opinions and answers........ :D
 

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
Licensed mental health professionals such as psychiatrists and psychologists. We would listen to them for the same reason(s) we listen to any expert when they speak on their field of expertise.

....... I would listen to either group with much caution, myself.

I knew a well qualified psychologist who gained a position as psycho to a group of H.M. prisons in the London area. Disaster....... she became intensely emotionally involved with a prisoner patient and brought embarrassment and scandal in to that whole area of medical 'expertise'......

The government invested in a special psychiatric research clinic at Guys Hospital London in the 70's. (The York clinic). I visited a very close relative there who was admitted for observation/research. One day I arrived to discover that my relative's (patient) friend had got up in the night, walked to a pedestrian bridge over rail lines and thrown herself down in front of a train....everybody in the ward was very upset. As patients described to me what had happened a senior consultant psychiatrist walked through the ward, stopped, listened to patient's reactions and then exploded in to 'Nothing we can do! If people want to chuck themselves in front of trains what are we supposed to do? Anybody who wants to do that can just get on with it. No! Certainly not!....' and then continued onwards (Doctor B-----r) Yeah........... experts.......
 

Left Coast

This Is Water
Staff member
Premium Member
Do they all agree, these psychology equals? I doubt it!

Without evaluating a particular case, this is more or less meaningless. People disagree...okay? Disagree on what? To what degree? For what reasons?

Take one condition mentioned in the list...... obsessive compulsive disorder.
I wonder what the difference is between 'determined exactness' and 'obsessive compulsion' and whether either of these actions are in fact (any kinds of) disorders.

Have you ever asked a mental health professional that question?

The DSM would likely help you here as well.

Ask a group of specialists there questions and then compare their opinions and answers........ :D

Mental health professionals do this routinely. That's how reliability in clinical measurement tools is assessed.
 

Left Coast

This Is Water
Staff member
Premium Member
....... I would listen to either group with much caution, myself.

I knew a well qualified psychologist who gained a position as psycho to a group of H.M. prisons in the London area. Disaster....... she became intensely emotionally involved with a prisoner patient and brought embarrassment and scandal in to that whole area of medical 'expertise'......

The government invested in a special psychiatric research clinic at Guys Hospital London in the 70's. (The York clinic). I visited a very close relative there who was admitted for observation/research. One day I arrived to discover that my relative's (patient) friend had got up in the night, walked to a pedestrian bridge over rail lines and thrown herself down in front of a train....everybody in the ward was very upset. As patients described to me what had happened a senior consultant psychiatrist walked through the ward, stopped, listened to patient's reactions and then exploded in to 'Nothing we can do! If people want to chuck themselves in front of trains what are we supposed to do? Anybody who wants to do that can just get on with it. No! Certainly not!....' and then continued onwards (Doctor B-----r) Yeah........... experts.......

I'm sure there are quack dentists out there as well. But if I have a toothache and need a filling, I know what kind of professional I'm going to call. :shrug: Call me a dumb sheep.
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
The government invested in a special psychiatric research clinic at Guys Hospital London in the 70's. (The York clinic). I visited a very close relative there who was admitted for observation/research. One day I arrived to discover that my relative's (patient) friend had got up in the night, walked to a pedestrian bridge over rail lines and thrown herself down in front of a train....everybody in the ward was very upset. As patients described to me what had happened a senior consultant psychiatrist walked through the ward, stopped, listened to patient's reactions and then exploded in to 'Nothing we can do! If people want to chuck themselves in front of trains what are we supposed to do? Anybody who wants to do that can just get on with it. No! Certainly not!....' and then continued onwards (Doctor B-----r) Yeah........... experts.......

Very sad indeed but what the doctor said, though insensitive was very true, the york clinic is a clinic, not a locked prison
 

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
I'm sure there are quack dentists out there as well. But if I have a toothache and need a filling, I know what kind of professional I'm going to call. :shrug: Call me a dumb sheep.
Yes, we do get bad dentists, and sometimes they get locked up for their scams (UK).

But psychiatric help......... that surely is a turn of the cards, imo. :)
 

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
Very sad indeed but what the doctor said, though insensitive was very true, the york clinic is a clinic, not a locked prison
Was...... I don't think it exists now, not that I have looked for many years.
That response appeared as if to require treatment, not payment. :)
 

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
I'm sure there are quack dentists out there as well. But if I have a toothache and need a filling, I know what kind of professional I'm going to call. :shrug: Call me a dumb sheep.
My late wife was admitted to a mental hospital in the 80s, her psychiatrist was doctor Alison. A nurse there suspected him of somehow raping patients but after reporting this she lost her job. Dr Alison moved to Basingstoke where once again, a nurse reported his activities and this time she stuck to her allegations. Doctor Alison was convicted on 8 counts of raping patients and was sent to prison for 8 years, today that would be a life sentence on the UK, I expect. The police believed that he raped hundreds.....the eight convictions were just a token, they reckoned.

I guess I've just met with all the bad ones, I'm sad to say.

Question.....are you a qualified psychologist or psychiatrist?
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
Psychiatry has to be one of the least exact sciences, I think.

One thing for sure, everyone is unique, there is not a simple fix all solution. Example, my brother in law was diagnosed close on 20 years ago and has been prescribed 7 different antipsychotic medications in that time. At last he has been prescribed one that agrees (to some extent) with him. Of all those he has tried, different people will teact to them differently, what agrees with one person will disagree with another. The only way to find out is testing on the individual patient. So far so good. Problem is that side effects may not show up for 2 or 3 years. Or may not be seen as side effects by the patient and so not reported. This cannot be seen as the psychiatrists fault (although there are some not so good ones out there). They have a limited number of tools and it takes time to find the correct one
 

Saint Frankenstein

Wanderer From Afar
Premium Member
Yes, we do get bad dentists, and sometimes they get locked up for their scams (UK).

But psychiatric help......... that surely is a turn of the cards, imo. :)
Definitely. I was on psych drugs for about half of my life and they didn't help me. Infact, they were giving me grand mal seizures at one point! Horrible, horrible withdrawal, too. They don't tell people about that! But I can't have weed, legally, which helps me far more than any Big Pharma toxins did! Go figure!
 

Saint Frankenstein

Wanderer From Afar
Premium Member
Psychiatry has to be one of the least exact sciences, I think.
They have no idea how drugs like antidepressants even work, and I've been told that by doctors who were prescribing them to me. They just know it screws around with neurotransmitters, and that's about it. You have to have a lot of faith to take those brain-altering drugs.
 
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