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pedophilia and pederasty - our new sexual orientation

Discussion in 'General Debates' started by KenS, Apr 28, 2019.

  1. FragrantGrace

    FragrantGrace If winning isn't everything why do they keep score

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    No, it is a sexual disorientation.
     
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    Its deviant and its still a sexual orientation.

    Pedophilia refers to a sexual orientation or profession of sexual preference devoid of consummation, whereas pedophilic disorder is defined as a compulsion and is used in reference to individuals who act on their sexuality. Now, “unconsummated pedophila” is just an orientation.
    Pedophilia: Orientation or Crime? | The American Spectator
    spectator.org/56286_pedophilia-orientation-or-crime/
     
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  3. FragrantGrace

    FragrantGrace If winning isn't everything why do they keep score

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    It is a mental disorder and a sexual disorientation.


    • Pedophilia and DSM-5: The Importance of Clearly Defining the Nature of a Pedophilic Disorder
    Fred S. Berlin, MD, PhD J Am Acad Psychiatry Law 42:404 –7, 2014
    http://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/8543/2acc1b3603c8bab2d8332bca73464e93d50d.pdf



    October 31, 2013
    • Statement of the American Psychological Association Regarding Pedophilia and the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-5)
    A news release sent Oct. 30 on behalf of the American Family Association mischaracterized the position of the American Psychological Association with respect to pedophilia. The American Psychological Association does not classify mental disorders or publish the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual, as the release incorrectly stated.

    The American Psychological Association maintains that pedophilia is a mental disorder; that sex between adults and children is always wrong; and that acting on pedophilic impulses is and should be a criminal act. The American Psychological Association has worked for many years to prevent child sexual abuse and will continue to do so. APA Statement Regarding Pedophilia and the DSM-5
     
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  4. sooda

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    Is English your first language?
     
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    Is a desire to murder someone an "orientation" or a man that has mental issues?

    #43
     
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    Are you saying that someone could not be oriented towards murder?

    Murder does not have to result from mental illness or be an orientation. A single instance could be emotions run amok. But for someone that turns to murder as a means of dealing with people or to fulfill their own needs and desires, that would be an orientation.
     
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    So then... mental illnesses are just orientations?

    Again...#43
     
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    You are reading way too much into all of this.
     
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  9. FragrantGrace

    FragrantGrace If winning isn't everything why do they keep score

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    Is that the best you can do? Oh, yes, it appears so.
     
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    Mia People are cool I guess

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    For the record and I know everyone probably knows this but we don’t accept them (them being paedophiles)
     
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    I have read about a study which claims that people's sexual orientation didn't stayed static over time, and I personally feel like they are right.

    People change, so do their sexual orientation.
     
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    I think that's why it's called an orientation as something that can change or orient itself in different "positions" during our life time. Just majority of people regardless who they are attracted to (attraction and object of attraction isn't/shouldn't be a moral issue... behavior is). Just majority of us growing up we grow into a good fixed identity of ourselves in relation to who we are attracted to, why, and our sense of self in that attraction. With people who are attracted to others quite younger than they are, the problem with that is our behavioral morality conflicts with just plain attraction. Years ago, people thought homosexuals molest little boys. Now we "know" that is not true. Attraction (homosexual/bisexual/whatever) is not predominate feature of molestation.

    So, that's why it's odd that people would look at pedophilia (attraction) as wrong and homosexuality and heterosexuality is right because none of these things have to do with behavior, just the object of attraction (adult male, adult female, or child).
     
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    I personally feel like sexual orientation is nearly [if not fully] equivalent to sexual fetish[es]. It changes with times. Although my orientation is strictly straight and I feel attraction only towards my beautiful female counterparts, who's to say tomorrow that can't change?

    Some people have fetishes with materials like shoes etc. Who is to say that that won't change with the times?
     
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    The idea of requiring consent doesn't protect enough. Some things have to be unthinkable. They have to be out of the question, because humans are domineering and violent. That's what has been decided and passed down to me and to most everyone here.

    As I've gotten older I've realized many of the thinks I was taught were unthinkable actually weren't. Rome, Greece, Japan, modern Afghanistan and many other cultures and at many other times have encouraged sex with children. This practice has often been debated, but it seems (or I guess) that its the spread of Christianity which has made it unpopular and/or illegal or unthinkable in much of the world. Nevertheless adults generally are attracted downwards towards the younger. That is the general drift of attraction. It seems like older usually prefer younger, and people are curious about that which is forbidden.

    That is possible. I don't think that is what that school system is teaching. It is, however, taking a risk by telling young people about the existence of their own human sexual potential.
     
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    I completely disagree. I guess a brief way I'd see it is if your being straight was based on a sexual fetish with the opposite sex, I assume it can change from time to time-so being straight (gay, et cetera) wouldn't be a predominate in one's fetishes and behavior.

    Though (generalizing the public) if you said you're straight because you had a predominate attraction (emotional/physical/mental/etc) with the opposite sex, I'd say that's not a fetish and that's what sexual orientation generally focuses on. In a medical aspect, it just means the person you're are predominately attracted to. "Human wise" the attraction is not just physical, but emotional, and for many people spiritual as well.
     
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    Wouldn't that nullify the claim that pedophilia/pederasty is a sexual orientation since most [correct me if I am wrong] pedophiles feels attraction towards children of both sexes? And what if this attraction is [or, at least, just based on] sexual fetish with children?
     
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    This isn't generally true from what I've seen. As a survivor, I have a vested interest and I have noticed many seem to go for one sex over another. It seems rare the one who likes both.
     
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    I am very sorry to hear that.

    May God bless you forever
     
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    I don't know if people who are attracted to children have an orientation between male or female. I don't feel age influences which sex one is attracted to. So, I guess it depends? I've never heard of someone whose a heterosexual pedophile.

    I don't believe attraction has a "big" reason to exist. Maybe companionship, procreation, things of that nature. When I think fetish, I think of objects and weird play during sexual activities not the age and sex of the person with whom one is attracted to. I'm not sure why some people are attracted to adult males, some adult females, some older people, and some younger people and so forth. Attraction doesn't hurt anyone and in the general sense of the word isn't a predominate source for the "act" of molestation.

    When I think of child molestation, I don't think of attraction but sexual abuse. Anyone can sexually abuse a child. Whether that person is attracted to that child is irrelevant. I read in a police report awhile back when people can't tell the difference between child molester and someone whose attracted to children. It said most people they arrest for child abuse aren't actually attracted (as in having sexual bond/emotional/physical) with children. So fetish, I "guess" is a good word, now I think about it. That or maybe lust.
     
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    Not me, though I got a very nasty hug from a crazy pedo hanging around public restrooms once. At the time I didn't understand, but I wanted to kill them after. This fellow was very crazy and probably didn't have the sanity required to be reasonable. He was poorly dressed and his eyes went in different directions, and I don't mean he had a lazy eye. I mean each eye moved independently. I doubt he had regular psychology. Other than that I was very, very lucky. I was in two youth organizations each of which discovered some kind of inappropriate adult attention and had to kick out an adult. One was a scout troop and the other was a youth ministry. I only heard about it, and I was never personally affected. I sometimes wonder how I would have been affected had I been less fortunate. Not sure.
     
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