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pedophilia and pederasty - our new sexual orientation

Discussion in 'General Debates' started by KenS, Apr 28, 2019.

  1. KenS

    KenS Well-Known Member

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    So says a school district in California:



    Who knows, maybe the next step is that it is a bigotry if you don't agree?
     
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    Did you actually listen to her response? The title of this versus what she actually said are completely different. She said they are teaching about it as an activity that was part of social history, not that it is an "orientation"! That is a lie.

    In case you don't know about this topic, you should learn about Roman history. You know, the culture that Christianity was born out of? Pedastrary was a common practice. No one is claiming it as an "orientation". Why do certain types of Christians distort facts so much? I thought lying is considered a sin?
     
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    A grownup with a predominant sexual interest in children has a sexual orientation. What else is it? A preference for animals is also an orientation. Whatever your preferred partner is that is your orientation. It doesn't matter what you think of it. Instead of demonising, perhaps we should humanise.
     
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    People can't choose their attractions and desires, only how they act upon them.
     
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    Well technically they are orientations as the word is defined in that context.
    Doesn’t magically erase the inherent lack of informed consent though. So meh.
     
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    Enoch07 It's all a sick freaking joke.
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    Matthew 7: 3-5

    3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

    4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?

    5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

    While this video in particular is not promoting pederasty. There are organizations in the U.S that do lobby for the age of consent to be lowered to 5 years old. Nambla is the largest I believe. North American Man/Boy Love Association - Wikipedia
     
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    Yeah, that whole informed consent thing kinda sinks the equivancies that they're trying to grasp for.
     
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    And who do you think actually respects or takes such an organization seriously? You don't honestly believe that they have any actual clout or influence, do you?
     
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    Enoch07 It's all a sick freaking joke.
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    The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.

    It's best to keep our foot on their throat then give them a chance to grasp the smallest amount of air.

    I don't care about the peds.

    I am only interested in protecting the children.
     
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    Don't you understand that the headline is a lie?
     
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    Neither children nor animals can consent.
     
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    Whether this is true doesn't change what I said. If a grownup's dominant romantic and sexual interest is for children or animals that's a sexual orientation.
     
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    Except no one is arguing paedophilia is an "orientation". Check your sources before launching the indignant outrage.
     
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    Yeah, but who has time for nuanced and informed, fact based understanding when there's sanctimonious tribalism to jump on? Heck, waste your time finding out what people actually said or think, not only might you find out your side isn't as righteous and attacked as you wanted, but you might miss the next sanctimonious zerg rush, too!
     
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    If one redefines what is generally understood by "orientation," sure.
     
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    OMG so I actually viewed the video and the lady said it was taught in a historical context, presumably in History class. Dude, where have you been? I remember learning about pedastry in history class discussing Ancient Rome and Greece 10 or so years ago. Lol actually thinking about it, we also learnt about that stuff when discussing the Medieval Period back in freaking grade 7/8. And again when studying Romeo and Juliette in English class the same year. And again when discussing the age of consent laws in SOSE classes. Like seriously? Did you just skip History and English class altogether or something? The topic comes up quite a few times because it's often relevant to the subject at hand. Whether that is explaining how society used to function, how art has changed to reflect current norms or even just as a way to explain why consent is important to understand.
    Hell you can watch a random History documentary about this sort of stuff, there's like hundreds out there. Some even made specifically for children.
    This is not exactly ground breaking news, anyone with even a remotely passing acquaintance with Classical (or Artistic) studies or indeed basic scholastic subjects should know that just by default.
     
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    Just a matter of changing laws... after all, who determines what is legal and what isn't?
     
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    "This is done because we are talking about historical perspectives of how gender relations and different types of sexual orientations have existed in history,” said BOUSD Assistant Superintendent of Curricula Kerrie Torres

    No... it was never taught as "sexual orientation". It is taught as "deviate behaviors". it is breaking news.
     
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    Changing the laws? You know that informed consent is supported by more than just lawmakers, right?
    And to change the law would pretty much have to ignore the countless studies supported by mental health professionals in multiple disciplines all around the world. You know that right?
    We'd literally have to ignore almost all experts in multiple fields relating to health and indeed childhood development in order to even give a whiff to any change in consent law.

    And correct me if I'm wrong here, but child marriage, even in today's day and age, is often attributed to many hardcore traditional religious communities. Including offshoots of Christianity. The abhorrent laws regarding parental consent for child marriage in states like Mississippi or Alabama (though I think subsequently rectified by secular institutions) were cause for concern. But were nonetheless protected for as long as they were due to a strong "freedom of religion" clause.
    We theists have no leg to stand on with regards to that horrific criminal behavior. At least in my opinion.

    And your own OP wasn't even saying what you were claiming. In fact you intentionally misrepresented or "bore false witness" to the very video you linked to. I thought that was a sin?
     
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