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Featured Peace & Security or Sudden Destruction?

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by nPeace, Jan 28, 2019.

  1. Oeste

    Oeste Well-Known Member

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    It seems to me that your belief of "Sudden Destruction" is illogical based on what you've posted.

    You just posted an article claiming at least one person killed by violence every minute of every day of the year.

    I turned on my radio, and I heard more bad news. Five police officers shot and 2 suspects dead in Houston, there was more violence in Syria, civil unrest in Venezuela, and a Hollywood actor was assaulted and a noose placed around his neck because he was black and gay. On top of that, the Doomsday clock was recently moved to two minutes before midnight.

    So what does this tell us?

    It tells us no one in their right mind is shouting "Peace and Security!".

    I don't hear it on the radio, I don't hear it on the TV, I don't hear it on social media, I don't hear it on the internet, I don't hear it from my neighbors, and I certainly don't hear how wonderfully secure and peaceful everything thing is from the United Nations, my congressman or even myself. In fact, it seems worse now then it was the year before, and even more worse than the year before that.

    So what should we conclude?

    That Thessalonians 5:3 is correct, the world is in horrible shape, that no one is shouting "Peace and Security" though they may be working towards it, and that "sudden destruction" is not in our immediate future. Either that, or that I'm mistaken and I've been tuning in to the wrong news outlets. .

    If you want "sudden destruction" you will have to change the narrative, and convince people that war and crime are in in such a state of steep and noticeable decline that they actually walk around talking about how things are now safe, peaceful and secure.

    I just don't see how you made an argument for such a scenario here.
     
  2. loverofhumanity

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    And what about Buddha, Muhammad, Krishna, Zoroaster, the Bab and Baha’u’llah and the followers of these religions?
     
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  3. savagewind

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    The Jehovah's Witnesses are claiming it for the Christian Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses. They really do get along peacefully. In fact, contention is not allowed! And, they teach that if you live your life the way the governing body prescribes, you will be delivered alive into the paradise Earth. They do not teach that each person will live in security but they do teach that the organization is secure.
     
  4. savagewind

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    Just look up the word for "whenever". It means when the condition shows itself. It doesn't mean one particular time in the future, as the Jehovah's Witnesses teach it.

    What it means is that when anyone at any time believes in his own peace and security THEN (IF) destruction comes upon him he will be caught unaware. It is a warning, not a PLAN!

    Mark 21:34 But keep on the alert at all times, praying that you may have the strength to escape all these things that are about to take place and to stand before the Son of Man.

    The Jehovah's Witnesses are taught to keep alert for the deaths of the wicked ones. But, the words seem to say to be alert for diligence. They are not taught to work for peace. And, why? They are taught that they have it.
     
  5. viole

    viole Metaphysical Naturalist
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    What is it? It is an emergent property of the wiring of our brains. There is nothing really spiritual about that.

    And my brain is wired to detect, via auditive and visual sensors, and ro elaborate a physical response tuned to safeguard young genes carriers. Our babies.

    That is what feel as love. But it is mainly the result of blind evolutionary processes acting on nervous cells and selected to safeguard genes.

    Ciao

    - viole
     
  6. 74x12

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    How do you know that? Ever since the atom bomb was used; people should be concerned. Weapons have become more and more lethal.
     
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  7. URAVIP2ME

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    The Greeks had four (4) words for love: Agape', Storge', Eros, and Phila'.
    The definition of godly love is defined at 1 Corinthians 13:4-6.
    Eros is fleshly love, whereas Philia' is brotherly love, Storge' is love of family, and Agape' principled love.
    Love based on principle (Agape') is of the mind and will.
    Jesus' NEW commandment found at John 13:34-35 is of the mind and will.
    We are to have the same self-sacrificing godly love for others as Jesus has.
    In other words, we are Now to love neighbor ' more ' than love of self.
     
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  8. URAVIP2ME

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    Many have heard the expression that a New Broom Sweeps Clean.
    The modern-day monstrosity named 'Christendom' (apostate Christianity) has prove unfaithful to God and His Word.
    This is why just like God used the political/military Roman armies against un-faithful Jerusalem in the year 70, God will use the political/military today as His arm of the law against troublesome religions starting with un-faithful Christendom.
    With backing, the United Nations can be strengthened and become God's modern-day arm of His law.
    So, it will be God's use of the political/military which will start the stopping of religious evil in humanity.
    When the ' powers that be ' will be saying, " Peace and Security...." that will be the precursor to the coming great tribulation of Revelation 7:14 before Jesus,(as that New Broom that Sweeps Clean) and as being Prince of Peace, ushers in global Peace on Earth among person's of goodwill. - 1 Thessalonians 5:2-3.
    The executional words from Jesus' mouth will rid the Earth of the wicked - Isaiah 11:3-4; Revelation 19:14-16.
     
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  9. URAVIP2ME

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    Ouch, what is 'false' or fabricated about Jesus' words at Matthew 24:14 or Acts of the Apostles 1:8 ________
    Never before in history has the good news of God's kingdom of Daniel 2:44 been proclaimed (just as foretold) on such a vast international-global scale as it is now being done world wide.
    Even modern technology has made rapid Bible translation possible so that now people in remote areas of Earth can now have Scripture in their own mother tongue or native languages. What is false about that global scope_______
    There is nothing false or fabricated about the 'powers that be' will take action against the false religious world.
    Perhaps, even a bad economy could make the $ wealth $ the false religions have amassed look easy for their taking.
     
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  10. URAVIP2ME

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    Back then swords had to be handy against wild animals.
    Swords, but Not to be used in fighting just as Jesus taught at Matthew 26:52; Revelation 13:10
     
  11. Deeje

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    What should we conclude when we consider that not just the USA, but the leaders of all nations are in turmoil, not knowing what to do to ensure the security of their citizens...physically, financially, nationally, religiously or in any other way?

    A cry of "peace and security" could come from an unexpected source. They could introduce a new governing system that might appear at first to be a global solution to a global problem. People are desperate for a solution, so the state of the world would be a catalyst for this kind of revolutionary change.....all carefully orchestrated....and foretold in scripture.

    The Bible speaks of men introducing a system of government that would put all mankind under one governing authority.....one financial system, and one set of laws for all. It will seem good in theory but it will be so authoritarian in its structure that no one will be able to opt out of it without losing everything they have, and being denied access to utilities (food, currency, water, electricity etc) and the loss of every freedom that humans have ever fought for. Can you imagine how angry people are going to be when they finally see the deception and are trapped?

    On the surface of it, it will appear to be the only solution and nations in turmoil will not see the far reaching implications of its totalitarian rule. 'Big Brother' is already here and has been for some time....the next steps to him gaining his complete authority by stealth is to make their solution seem like its the answer to a prayer (figuratively speaking) but law enforcement, (if you haven't noticed,) is now in combat gear, fully trained to take down any dissenters in a very violent manner. Are you ready for what this means?

    I see technology playing right into their hands now with things in place that we never dreamed could be used as weapons against us. If you've swallowed the 'Kool-Ade'.....it will all seem like such a good idea.....yet the repercussions of it will devastate those taken in by it. "Just like the days of Noah", Jesus said. We are reaching that point right now. People are hearing the warning, but dismissing it as rubbish. (Matthew 24:37-39)

    You obviously have no idea who you are dealing with....or the power that he exerts on the corrupt rulers of this world. Don't kid yourself that it is the politicians that you all keep arguing about....they are merely puppets under the control of the real power behind human rulership.....that is why Christ has to destroy every last vestige of it.....This satanically inspired rulership has to go to make way for God's Kingdom, which according to Daniel, will "crush" all corrupt human rulership out of existence and replace them. (Daniel 2:44) ...and all their supporters will go down with them, just like the people in Noah's day perished in the flood.

    That is what we expect to happen. It is all taking place under our noses. Whatever man-made institution people have put their trust in.....it will come to bitter disappointment. People will weep over the fact that they could so easily have had their trust betrayed.....but this is what the Bible says will happen. I believe it.
     
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  12. Subduction Zone

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    False dichotomy. Right now the countries with the highest rates of atheism have the lowest rates of homicide.
     
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  13. We Never Know

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    False equivalence. Unless you have evidence that shows the rates of homicide are lower because of higher rates of atheism.
     
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    Swords were used more for fighting than for wild animals. Don't be do niave.
     
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  15. Subduction Zone

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    Nope, try again. The implication was that atheism led to sudden destruction. It clearly does not. You misapplied your logical fallacy.
     
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    I must have missed that implication. Can you quote it for me. Thanks.

    You still used false equivalence in your reply. Is there any evidence the higher atheism rates have any thing to do with the lower homicide rates?
     
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  17. Subduction Zone

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    You are now repeating your error. I did not perform that logical fallacy. I merely refuted a false claim about atheism. There is no point in me supplying you with what you ask for if you are going to repeat your error...

    Let's see if I can go over this using simple symbols. The claim was if A then D. I can show that A does not result in D, there is no need to go beyond that. You are trying to get me to claim more than I was claiming.
     
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  18. nPeace

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    Not sure if this response is to me Hubert, but I think religion is part of the package of a corrupt society. Firstly, because of failing to teach the truth that unites its members in peace, and love. Secondary, because religion is itself involved in the political, and greedy commercial systems of this world, which it seems evident are all corrupt.

    I agree with you that religion has played a great role in viscous and violent activity. In fact, going further than that, I agree with the scriptures which places the blood of all righteous people on earth squarely on the shoulders of religion. Revelation 17 & 18

    When you think about that, does it not make sense that there is a way worship that is different to religion of this world, which promotes peace and unity, among all its members?
    Can you think of any "religion" at all, which does not allow for involvement in the political system, and wars?

    I know of one, but I would be glad to hear of any you know of.
     
  19. nPeace

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    I think yo must have misunderstood the OP. It may be because you didn't read it through thoroughly, I'm not certain, but the OP is not saying what you are saying.
    You might want to consider looking at it more carefully.
     
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    It seems you just repeated yourself Viole. I don't see that you answered my questions. Are you able to?
    By the way, do you really honestly believe what you are saying? Really?
     
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