Pe****ta Primacy, Palistinian Prophet, & why Jesus didn't speak Syriac

[godnotgod]

Not again. Seriously?

I'd still like to see an unearthing of the original the Khabouris is based on.

 

[LegionOnomaMoi]

I'd still like to see an unearthing of the original the Khabouris is based on.

It's fraud.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

All of the above is what is true about Westernized Xtianity based on Greek NT. Been there, bought bogus car. Pretended it worked for years. Discovered it to be full of holes. The various carnie-barker peddlers have over 2000 models, all different, all crap, in variants of black and white. The parts don't interchange, and there are xtra or missing parts.

The Pe****ta brand has only 360 issues, all near perfect match, and all in living color.

I'll go with the sexy import.

You go with the glitzy Las Vegas Cadillac.

We'll see who gets home first.

Oh, lookie.. I'm already there, thanks to Zen. Beep beep.

What is the sound of one Bible banging? Why, Aramaic, of course! LOL!

Dude, you don't even have a car.

 

[godnotgod]

It's fraud.

You don't know that.

Do the Greek NT texts contain fraudulent entries?

 

[godnotgod]

Dude, you don't even have a car.

Even though it's a reproduction, it's faithful to the original, and it's been delivered and my nice shiny new Aramaic Purr****ta NT Spyder Veloce is sitting in my driveway, purring away like a kitten. All the parts work smoothly one with the other. Nothing added; nothing taken away. It's Poetry in Motion, for sure.

So how's that old jalopy you keep having to embarrassingly patch up, where the parts don't seem to match or fit from one model to the other, and it keeps breaking down? Over the years, various 'mechanics' have even tried to conceal flaws, or added downright fraudulent parts, making matters worse.

I hear you failed to show up at one of your Elvis Impersonator Las Vegas Glittering Extravaganzas due to a breakdown on the road. Pity.

 

[godnotgod]

Let's imagine that the Pe****ta somehow was based on an original Syriac text or was originally Aramaic (Middle Aramaic of any dialect) instead of translated from Greek (despite the numerous Greek loan-words in the text and the numerous other issues you haven't addressed yet). How is this true:

What differs between the Pe****ta and the Greek NT such that one is "Elvis" and the other "Woody Allen"?

And it isn't original. It's not written in a language that existed when Jesus did or when the NT was written. I'm still waiting for answers to numerous questions, from why Paul would write Aramaic to communities that didn't speak it to why when Aramaic specialists render the Greek back into Aramaic not only are there many places that this can't be done because there is no underlying Aramaic but when it can we don't get the Pe****ta. These and others all relate to the claim of primacy and you seem to ignore them when they are inconvenient for the theory you subscribe to.

I will provide information as time allows and as it becomes available to me.

 

[LegionOnomaMoi]

I will provide information as time allows and as it becomes available to me.

The information is all available now. I don't understand what you mean.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

You don't know that.

Do the Greek NT texts contain fraudulent entries?

The NT is not the issue. The ancient Greek texts actually exist, whether or not if there are fraudulent entries.

There is no ancient Aramaic NT. The entire thing is a lie. All of it.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

Even though it's a reproduction, it's faithful to the original, and it's been delivered and my nice shiny new Aramaic Purr****ta NT Spyder Veloce is sitting in my driveway, purring away like a kitten. All the parts work smoothly one with the other. Nothing added; nothing taken away. It's Poetry in Motion, for sure.

So how's that old jalopy you keep having to embarrassingly patch up, where the parts don't seem to match or fit from one model to the other, and it keeps breaking down? Over the years, various 'mechanics' have even tried to conceal flaws, or added downright fraudulent parts, making matters worse.

I hear you failed to show up at one of your Elvis Impersonator Las Vegas Glittering Extravaganzas due to a breakdown on the road. Pity.

*Not a valid comparison because both of these cars exist. No matter how useful, true, pure, uplifting, or any other good things people claim about the NT aren't true, at least it exists.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

None of which is the point, which is primacy.

The argument for primacy isn't very convincing when the Aramaic that you're claiming to have 'primacy' doesn't even exist.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

shiny new Aramaic Purr****ta NT Spyder Veloce is sitting in my driveway, purring away like a kitten.

Whatever starts your engine, man.

Just to be clear - I'm not saying that the Greek NT is superior to your "Aramaic" NT. I am reminding you that you are supporting an argument for something that does not exist, and the person who tells you so is a liar.

In theory could be incompetent, but because it disguises itself as an academic argument, the person is at least lying about that. No scholar would risk their reputation for arguing something that is so very basically wrong. What you're doing is no different from a Christian saying that there are many scientists that support creationism. We know that evolutionary theory is a very basic scientific idea whose principles are sustained by every scientific discipline. So we know that any scientist who contradicted all of this evidence in favor of something that is undoubtably fabricated by someone who obviously has no clue what they are doing.

It's one thing to follow Salm, who can't interpret archaeology - at least basic claims come from sources that exist.

Your Aramaic primacy group simply makes up their source from nothing, and then lie about it. And it's basic! The source cannot be produced.

 

[godnotgod]

Whatever starts your engine, man.

Just to be clear - I'm not saying that the Greek NT is superior to your "Aramaic" NT. I am reminding you that you are supporting an argument for something that does not exist, and the person who tells you so is a liar.

In theory could be incompetent, but because it disguises itself as an academic argument, the person is at least lying about that. No scholar would risk their reputation for arguing something that is so very basically wrong. What you're doing is no different from a Christian saying that there are many scientists that support creationism. We know that evolutionary theory is a very basic scientific idea whose principles are sustained by every scientific discipline. So we know that any scientist who contradicted all of this evidence in favor of something that is undoubtably fabricated by someone who obviously has no clue what they are doing.

It's one thing to follow Salm, who can't interpret archaeology - at least basic claims come from sources that exist.

Your Aramaic primacy group simply makes up their source from nothing, and then lie about it. And it's basic! The source cannot be produced.

Really? If that's the case, then why do we have in the Greek NT KNOWN, DOCUMENTED fabrications and fraudulent entries, while the Pe****ta versions have NONE, and match each other to the tune of....wait for it.....>99%?

Hmmmm....now it becomes clear how a lie like the Inquisition and geocentricity could have gone on for so long. Now we have this stick to the ribs Greek NT primacy notion that refuses to let go, just as the myth of Our Lady of Guadalupe Hidalgo persists, in spite of the known fact that she is none other than the Aztec goddess, Tonantzin.

 

[godnotgod]

*Not a valid comparison because both of these cars exist. No matter how useful, true, pure, uplifting, or any other good things people claim about the NT aren't true, at least it exists.

Right. It exists as a
Rube-Goldberg jalopy....*cough*...wheeze....bang!..bang!....that's been revised a million times, and a zillion differing versions vie with one another for prominence and authenticity, to the point where no one knows which is the 'right' one.

Putting stock in the Greek NT is like......

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-...AAAAAAAB3mc/hBooec9O8Wk/w506-h473/yHLuQrA.gif

 

[angellous_evangellous]

Really? If that's the case, then why do we have in the Greek NT KNOWN, DOCUMENTED fabrications and fraudulent entries, while the Pe****ta versions have NONE, and match each other to the tune of....wait for it.....>99%?

Because the Greek NT exists! The reason why we know there are differences in the texts is because we can compare them.

There is nothing to say about the Aramaic NT because it doesn't exist!

 

[angellous_evangellous]

Right. It exists as a
Rube-Goldberg jalopy....*cough*...wheeze....bang!..bang!....that's been revised a million times, and a zillion differing versions vie with one another for prominence and authenticity, to the point where no one knows which is the 'right' one.

Putting stock in the Greek NT is like......

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-...AAAAAAAB3mc/hBooec9O8Wk/w506-h473/yHLuQrA.gif

… unlike the Aramaic text, which has no editions…

 

[angellous_evangellous]

Really? If that's the case, then why do we have in the Greek NT KNOWN, DOCUMENTED fabrications and fraudulent entries, while the Pe****ta versions have NONE, and match each other to the tune of....wait for it.....>99%?

Hmmmm....now it becomes clear how a lie like the Inquisition and geocentricity could have gone on for so long. Now we have this stick to the ribs Greek NT primacy notion that refuses to let go, just as the myth of Our Lady of Guadalupe Hidalgo persists, in spite of the known fact that she is none other than the Aztec goddess, Tonantzin.

Hang on a second now. There is no such thing as "Greek NT primacy" because there is no alternative. No one argues for Greek primacy because there is no need to do so.

Just because someone stupid comes up with something stupid and gives it a stupid name doesn't mean that it's true, and it does not warrant basic knowledge to be reconstructed and renamed according to the stupid idea.

 

[Shermana]

Did someone say the Pe****ta is interpolation and edit free?

Pe****ta.org • View topic - Interpolation in the pe****ta text

This sounds like something that would be an excellent thing to research, how the Pe****ta compares specifically to various Manuscript versions.

 

[LegionOnomaMoi]

Did someone say the Pe****ta is interpolation and edit free?

Pe****ta.org • View topic - Interpolation in the pe****ta text

This sounds like something that would be an excellent thing to research, how the Pe****ta compares specifically to various Manuscript versions.

It's been done. For an example of the very basics:

"Those Gospels which survive, however, all of them in the dialects of Aramaic generally known as Syriac, are translations from our present Greek Gospels into Aramaic. The process of translating the Greek Gospels into Aramaic is signficantly different from trying to reconstruct original sources. Nowhere is this better illustrated than with the term `son of man'. This was originally the Aramaic ברנשא, a normal term for `man'. By the processes of translation and Christological development, this became a Christological title in Greek,"ὁ υἱὸς τοὺ ἀνθρώπου. Since it had become a Christological title, it could not be translated into Syriac with (בר (&#1488נש(א. Hence Tatian produced the expression ברה ראנשא, and later translators produced also ברה רגברא and ברה רבנשא. These expressions naturally lent themselves to interpretation remote from the original (בר (&#1488נש(א."
Casey, M. (1998). Aramaic sources of Mark's Gospel (Vol. 102). Cambridge University Press.

 

[Shermana]

Well I meant personal study by research, but thanks for the starting point!

 

[godnotgod]

Hang on a second now. There is no such thing as "Greek NT primacy" because there is no alternative. No one argues for Greek primacy because there is no need to do so.

Just because someone stupid comes up with something stupid and gives it a stupid name doesn't mean that it's true, and it does not warrant basic knowledge to be reconstructed and renamed according to the stupid idea.

OK, fine. Let's run with your scenario. There's only the Greek NT.

So why do we have in the Greek NT KNOWN, DOCUMENTED fabrications and fraudulent entries?