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Paying the fair share

Discussion in 'General Debates' started by KenS, Mar 16, 2019.

  1. joe1776

    joe1776 Well-Known Member

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    The USA doesn't have an education system run by the federal bureaucracy. It has more than 4,000 local systems and a staggering amount of local bureaucracy when you add them all up. IMO, that's why US education has been operating in a failure mode since inception.
     
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    Income is income, IMV, whether you are a roofer, rancher or interest from securities. All need the same protection, the same roads, the same infrastructure to do business etc.

    But I wonder if those who are clamoring about those of greater capacity to pay more, if they aren't paying anything in the first place or using all the loopholes to pay less just like those of greater capacity.
     
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    But who is to say way "needs" are "needs"?

    Is your local college a "need" or is it an Ivy League college? Is an small apartment in Manhattan the need? or is it the small house in the boonies? Or should it be the 3/2 home or a 2/1 home?

    Which are greedy?
     
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    True... although I would say only in the last 100 years give or take.
     
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    I need it to be half its size :)
     
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    I think the easy way to fund it all is to just not increase the budget until the income matches the expenses and then begin funding when more monies come in.

    The general rule of thumb is "Don't borrow any more money until you have a budget that is within your income". - The government hasn't learned that and if they implemented what you said, in 5 years they would want more because they still spend more than they receive. They have learned to control themselves.
     
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    Or on the whim of the next group of people?
     
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    If you want a smaller government, you should be consistent and also want less wasteful spending on the military. The US spends more on "defense" than all other nations in the world combined. And yet most of this "defense" is really just money wasted on a system that is trying to police the rest of the world.
     
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    Aren't you being nit-picky? If need = N, we don't have to quibble about 1.5 N or 2.0 N but we're not going to argue about 10 million N. Are we?

    Who needs a 40 million dollar mansion or yacht? Or 75 collectible cars?
     
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    And include all educational outlets including religious.
     
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    True... but are you talking about percentage or actual dollars. (to be consistent)
     
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    I was referring to actual dollars. I don't know percentages off the top of my head.
     
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    Doesn't that depend?

    "Apartments in New York City come in all different shapes and sizes. There are apartments that cost $400,000 and then there are apartments that cost $90,000,000. The most interesting thing is that these apartments can literally be a 10 minute walk away from one another"

    So if an apartment cost 400,000 just to live... wouldn't you need to have hundreds of thousands of dollars just to live? (When you include food, car, insurance)

    And are the people who are saying "Pay your fair share" - what are they comparing it to?
     
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    Then we need to be consistent... it is always a percentage. A small country who spends 20% of their income on defense is spending more per capita that a large country who spends 10%

    I don't think you can go by actual dollars. A large country has more land to protect that, let's say, Lithuania.
     
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    The cost of living in the USA does vary considerably but the apartments you're talking about can only be afforded by people in the upper income brackets. If those brackets didn't exist, (if it were not possible to make that much money after taxes) the market value of those apartments would drop as well.
     
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    I'm not sure that is the case...

    People are paid more in New York City because cost of living is higher. Not because they are "rich" but rather, they need more to scrape by (My niece lives in Los Angeles and has that problem) - so they are paying higher taxes and yet live worse than others who live in lower brackets in other places.
     
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    As long as long term deficit spending gets to below than the economic growth rate; the debt to GDP ratio should remain manageable.

    My proposed federal government budget would keep our annual federal government's long term spending under 23 percent of GDP and would enhance revenues to nearly 20 percent of GDP. ...:)
     
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    Perhaps we can agree the role of our federal government shall be limited to providing for the common defense of the 50 states, ensuring every citizen has a subsistence living allowance, and the facilitation of interstate commerce. Right?
     
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    That is what every bankrupt filer said.

    Yet... interest in 2018 - $523,017,301,446.12

    I think that is a lot of Medical coverage.

    No debt is better:

    Government - Interest Expense on the Debt Outstanding
     
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    It would also drive the nation into debt so far it would collapse, because no one can live on $400 a month. We can't even live on $800 a month in this country without the help of food stamps and medicaid. So regardless of this universal income, all these social services would still be needed, and the taxes required to pay for them would, too.
     
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