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Featured Paul Didn't Know Jesus

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by idav, Dec 5, 2017.

  1. idav

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    I tend to be suspect of all works regarding Christ same as the folks who put together the Bible canon. I don't mind all the gnostic texts maybe they are missing books. However anyone saying they had a vision in the desert or a cave should be highly suspect.
     
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    The spiritual truth to physical food?

    Matthew:
    Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.

    Nuff said for me.

    Circumcision?

    John:
    It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

    Words from the mouth of the true God. And Paul agreed.
     
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    Of course Paul didn't know of the Gospels. All of his epistles predate them.
     
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  4. Phantasman

    Phantasman Well-Known Member

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    lol.......

    Considering Jesus told us to go into a closer and shut the door, I find that communion with God is where the physical world can be shut out from distraction. I guess a sandstorm or a slew of bats could make spiritual communion a tad difficult. :D
     
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    metis aged ecumenical anthropologist

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    I hear ya as one might expect from my faith statement at the bottom of my posts. I find no reason for me to believe in "miracles" regardless as to whom are supposedly doing them. However, I'm not going to the point of saying that they cannot happen.
     
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    Paul makes a great contrast with the four gospels as you say. His personality shines through more clearly than that of the gospel authors with their shared second hand sources and differing literary strengths. Not needed to look for perfection I think we can benefit spiritually from understanding these differences and discrepancies. Paul was, perhaps, uptight about sexuality and mis-called the unnecessity of marriage. After all here we are 2000 years later and us Christians still need to know how not to live in sin waiting, but not holding our breath, for the coming of Christ while raising children. If all Christians then strictly followed Paul's instructions there would be no Christians today due to a lack of being frutiful and multiplying.
     
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    Paul quotes the Gospel because Jesus preached the Gospel. He is not quoting the so called gospels in the new testament because the Gospels or the first Gospel that we call Mark was written after Paul. So paul is relating to the GOSPEL Jesus was preaching.

    One can never think Paul picked up from the four gospels canonised in the new testament. Rather, some writings in the New testament has been picked up from the paulene writings.
     
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    you sure do twist things in
    1 Corinthians 4:14,15,

    There's nothing wrong in referring to someone as your son. Even I upon talking to someone at times I have referred to them as son. Its just a figure of speech being used.
    It doesn't mean I'm their father, It's just figure of speech being used.

    As for Verse 15, Paul being older than those that are younger, Paul calling them son, there's nothing wrong in that.

    If you had read verse 17 Paul makes it very plain as to who is his son, "For this cause have I sent unto you Timotheus who is my beloved son"

    Therefore Paul making a difference between who is actually his son and those who are not actually his son.

    Just because someone refers to someone as their son, does not mean they are actually their son, just a figure of speech being used. In reference to someone younger than they are.
     
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    Yeshua in the Synoptic Gospels preaches the idea there is a living Gospel, which is the Coming of God's Kingdom on Earth.

    Paul's Gospel teaches the idea jesus came down here to die as a final sacrifice, and by his resurrection, we're raised with him into incorruptibility.

    There is no word Gospel (G2097/G2098 good news) in the made up gospel of John by the way. :confused:

    In my opinion. :innocent:
     
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    Paul had first hand communions with the teachers that caused the Gospels. He didn't need to read anything.

    2nd Corinthians:
    Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.

    It is the reason Christ said to not trust the scribes. Ink can be changed, erased and added to (by men). The Spirit.....not.
     
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    I don't know if it is wrong or more so a bit of vanity for Paul to say that people are saved through himself. Regardless Christ had his warning, what a coincidence someone would do just that, Paul calling himself a spiritual father, and people would ignore the warning.
     
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    Idav,

    We may say that Paul didn't know Jesus in the first place. There is no problem with that and should not scrap the credibility of the gospel and the Word of God. Jesus calling to Paul does not change anything. Paul is the instrument to propagate the Good News to the Jews and Gentiles. We cannot change anything if that is God's plan to bring people to His kingdom. In application, God may choose anyone who He will be used. And I believed that this has transpired and recorded in the history of Christianity.

    Thanks
     
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    Paul never said people are saved through himself. How do you come by that
     
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    Lyndon "Peace is the answer" quote: GOD, 2014
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    Paul was the first antichrist, Donald Trump is the most recent IMHO
     
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    The Thread is about Paul, not about Trump, but coming from a liberal that can be expected.
     
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  16. Lyndon

    Lyndon "Peace is the answer" quote: GOD, 2014
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    Jesus was a liberal, the Pharisees were the conservatives.
     
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    That's amazing, but then coming from a liberal, what can anyone except.

    Everything Jesus stood against, liberals are found in Supporting those things.
     
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    In the verses already mentioned, Paul calls himself a spiritual father, even before Christ.
    KJV
    ""For though ye have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel.""
    NIV
    ""Even if you had ten thousand guardians in Christ, you do not have many fathers, for in Christ Jesus I became your father through the gospel.""
     
  19. Lyndon

    Lyndon "Peace is the answer" quote: GOD, 2014
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    Yeah, liberals support treating the sick, feeding the hungry, and helping the poor, what do conservatives say???
     
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    Had you any idea or clue what Paul is talking about, but since you don't.

    What Paul is talking about in
    1st Cor 4:14-15, is a Spiritual rebirth,
    Like being born again.

    So in 1st Cor 4:15--"For though you have ten thousand instructors in Christ, For in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel"

    Notice the word ( begotten ) In the Greek translation of the Strong's Concordance 1080, This means Paul has ( regenerated )
    ( delivered ) ( Procreated ) them through the gospel of Christ Jesus. Meaning a spiritual rebirth, being born again through the gospel of Christ Jesus, by the Spirit of the word of God.

    Even Peter wrote about being born again by the Spirit of the word of God,
    In 1 Peter 1:22-23--"Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever"

    Therefore Paul through the gospel of Christ Jesus people were having a Spiritual rebirth through the gospel of Christ Jesus, Being born again by the Spirit of the word of God.

    Therefore before you Quote someone or something, you should get to the root of a word to see what is actually being said and done.
     
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