Pastor Robert Jeffress chooses Trump over Jesus

[fantome profane]

Megachurch pastor Robert Jeffress would vote for Trump over Jesus

https://soundcloud.com/https%3A%2F%2Fsoundcloud.com%2Frightwingwatch%2Fjeffress-strongman

A right-wing Texas megachurch pastor admits he’d vote for Donald Trump over Jesus — who he accused of being weak on terrorism.

You know, I was debating an evangelical professor on NPR, and this professor said, ‘Pastor, don’t you want a candidate who embodies the teaching of Jesus and would govern this country according to the principles found in the Sermon on the Mount?’” Jeffress said. “I said, ‘Heck no.’ I would run from that candidate as far as possible, because the Sermon on the Mount was not given as a governing principle for this nation.

I can't help but marvel at the extreme level of hypocrisy person manages to display. This is a person you has consistently tried to jam his religious views into the government, but when those religious principles become inconvienent he abandons them. Robert Jeffrees has never been one to support separation of Church and State (and neither was Jesus btw, but that is a different debate). But now it suits his purposes to reject religious principles.

When it comes to persecuting the LGBT community, the government should impose his religion. But when it comes to something like showing compassion for the poor and loving your enemy, let's forget about that.

This kind of hypocrisy drives me nuts.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Wow...

Robert Jeffrees has never been one to support separation of Church and State (and neither was Jesus

Strange interpretation.

 

[fantome profane]

Wow...

Strange interpretation.

I will debate what I think Jesus's view of government some other time in some other thread. I don't want this one to veer that far off topic.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I will debate what I think Jesus's view of government some other time in some other thread. I don't want this one to veer that far off topic.

Fair enough.

 

[columbus]

When it comes to persecuting the LGBT community, the government should impose his religion. But when it comes to something like showing compassion for the poor and loving your enemy, let's forget about that.

Possibly the biggest problem the USA has is that our dominant religion is utterly opposed to the dominant sociopolitical worldview.

There is no way to square Christian morality with laissez faire Capitalism or Democracy. So people choose what they prefer to believe about any given issue. When it contradicts capitalism they invoke Jesus. When it contradicts Christianity they invoke the Constitution. When neither of those work they invoke Ayn Rand or something.
Tom

 

[Revoltingest]

Possibly the biggest problem the USA has is that our dominant religion is utterly opposed to the dominant sociopolitical worldview.

There is no way to square Christian morality with laissez faire Capitalism or Democracy. So people choose what they prefer to believe about any given issue. When it contradicts capitalism they invoke Jesus. When it contradicts Christianity they invoke the Constitution. When neither of those work they invoke Ayn Rand or something.
Tom

Xians invoke the fire breathing atheist, Ayn Rand?
Not very often.
But I see them as more at odds with the social liberalism than capitalism or democracy.
But there are large elements who look kindly upon socialism....it's so potentially charitable, you know.

 

[sun rise]

Xians invoke the fire breathing atheist, Ayn Rand?
Not very often.
But I see them as more at odds with the social liberalism than capitalism or democracy.
But there are large elements who look kindly upon socialism....it's so potentially charitable, you know.

Setting 'capitalism' against 'socialism' is a false dichotomy given the vastly different systems using those two names. When it comes to Christianity, I like the Pope's position against "greed is good" capitalism since greed is one of the seven deadly sins. Most right-win capitalists today espouse greed although typically with a sugar coating. And many "socialists" want worker-controlled private enterprise and market-opening small business rather than plutocrat-controlled oligopoly and the bought-and-paid-for legislators we have today.

But back to the OP - if you take the New Testament as being reflective of what Jesus actually taught, then looking there for Jesus to espouse strong men, looking for Jesus to espouse governments to act opposite from the Sermon on the Mount and so forth is not what I would call Christian but the exact opposite and in fact fitting my definition of the Christian version of the Taliban.

 

[Revoltingest]

Setting 'capitalism' against 'socialism' is a false dichotomy given the vastly different systems using those two names. When it comes to Christianity, I like the Pope's position against "greed is good" capitalism since greed is one of the seven deadly sins. Most right-win capitalists today espouse greed although typically with a sugar coating. And many "socialists" want worker-controlled private enterprise and market-opening small business rather than plutocrat-controlled oligopoly and the bought-and-paid-for legislators we have today.

From a religious perspective, I really can't opine with too much force.
It looks awfully complicated to this untutored heathen.

 

[David1967]

Wow...

Strange interpretation.

If I remember correctly Jesus advocated obeying the laws of the land, i.e. "Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's. "

 

[ThePainefulTruth]

Megachurch pastor Robert Jeffress would vote for Trump over Jesus

https://soundcloud.com/https%3A%2F%2Fsoundcloud.com%2Frightwingwatch%2Fjeffress-strongman


I can't help but marvel at the extreme level of hypocrisy person manages to display. This is a person you has consistently tried to jam his religious views into the government, but when those religious principles become inconvienent he abandons them. Robert Jeffrees has never been one to support separation of Church and State (and neither was Jesus btw, but that is a different debate). But now it suits his purposes to reject religious principles.

When it comes to persecuting the LGBT community, the government should impose his religion. But when it comes to something like showing compassion for the poor and loving your enemy, let's forget about that.

This kind of hypocrisy drives me nuts.

Hey, even the Devil is right once in a while.

 

[Muffled]

Megachurch pastor Robert Jeffress would vote for Trump over Jesus

https://soundcloud.com/https%3A%2F%2Fsoundcloud.com%2Frightwingwatch%2Fjeffress-strongman


I can't help but marvel at the extreme level of hypocrisy person manages to display. This is a person you has consistently tried to jam his religious views into the government, but when those religious principles become inconvienent he abandons them. Robert Jeffrees has never been one to support separation of Church and State (and neither was Jesus btw, but that is a different debate). But now it suits his purposes to reject religious principles.

When it comes to persecuting the LGBT community, the government should impose his religion. But when it comes to something like showing compassion for the poor and loving your enemy, let's forget about that.

This kind of hypocrisy drives me nuts.

I believe you are in error. I believe you prefer your own ideas to what Jesus actually says.

 

[fantome profane]

I believe you are in error. I believe you prefer your own ideas to what Jesus actually says.

I absolutely prefer my ideas to what Jesus actually says. That is not the point. Do you think Jeffress prefers his ideas to what Jesus said? Do you think Jeffress prefers Trump's ideas to what Jesus actually said.

 

[soma]

Weak ministers, atheist and people look to strong people to guide them; therefore, they are easily manipulated in hurting others out of hate and fear. Trump is boring for anyone who has a brain because he only talks about how great he is and how bad others are with no solutions, plans or ideas how to solve our problems.

 

[Twilight Hue]

So what has Jesus done so far?

 

[ThePainefulTruth]

I would too, Jesus is dead.

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

So what has Jesus done so far?

Faked his own death to push the book sales along?

 

[Muffled]

I absolutely prefer my ideas to what Jesus actually says. That is not the point. Do you think Jeffress prefers his ideas to what Jesus said? Do you think Jeffress prefers Trump's ideas to what Jesus actually said.

I believe you are in error when you say it is hypocrisy.

I believe he has put what Jesus said in the right perspective. Do I believe he prefers Trump to Jesus, No.

 

[fantome profane]

I believe you are in error when you say it is hypocrisy.

I believe he has put what Jesus said in the right perspective. Do I believe he prefers Trump to Jesus, No.

Can you explain why?

 

[metis]

Can anyone actually believe that Jesus would use the same kind of language that Trump does? For some reason, I can't picture Jesus making fun of a handicapped man, calling people names, demeaning others, lying over and over again, etc.

 

[Akivah]

Can anyone actually believe that Jesus would use the same kind of language that Trump does? For some reason, I can't picture Jesus making fun of a handicapped man, calling people names, demeaning others, lying over and over again, etc.

Sure, I can. He cursed his own family members, destroyed the businesses of the money-changers, stole crops, and drove a herd of pigs off a cliff.