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Featured Pastor Kicked Out by His Congregation Over Transphobic Church Sign

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Sunstone, Jan 17, 2019.

  1. loverofhumanity

    loverofhumanity Well-Known Member
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    I fully agree with you. You are Buddhist and Buddhism is founded upon non violence so how can we accept the violence against Rohingya by Buddhists? It’s hypocritical,to compromise the basic teachings of any religion and the Bible does not support homosexuality so then those who do support it should seriously consider whether they want to remain Christians or not.
     
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  2. Amanaki

    Amanaki The truth lay within you.

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    In my understanding those who call them self Buddhists who did wrong toward Rohingya are not truly buddhists, they maybe think they are because of family history, but if they do not follow the teaching they are not Buddhists. So i do agree with you
     
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  3. loverofhumanity

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    If people want a religion which accepts homosexuality then form one themselves but the Bible clearly prohibits it and whether people consider that right or wrong that’s what it says.
     
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  4. JJ50

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    The authors of the Bible lived many centuries ago and we live in the 21st century, times have changed thank goodness. In Biblical times women were considered subservient to the male of the species too. do you think that still should be the case?
     
  5. PruePhillip

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    Are you saying we should change the bible?
    If so, how often?
    I mean, back in the 1980's people wanted to decriminalize homosexuality
    And in the 2000's they wanted to promote homosexuality
    And in the 2010's they wanted gay marriage.

    Maybe we could have a new bible every ten years?
    It says that a man should be the husband of "one wife" and that's going
    to change in the next ten years too.
     
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  6. JJ50

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    People should read that book bearing in mind how long ago it was written, and how times have changed since then, thank goodness.

    Homosexuality was legalised in the mid 60s here in the UK, and not before time. I am glad gay marriage is permitted too.
     
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  7. Woberts

    Woberts The Perfumed Seneschal

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    Let me just say that there's a reason that Africans migrated to the USSR in droves.
     
  8. Polymath257

    Polymath257 Think & Care
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    No, I think we should realize that the Bible, like many other books from that time, isn't necessarily the last word on morality.

    It describes the morality that people promoted 2000 years ago (and more). As such, it has many aspects that reflect their biases,
    bigotry, and failures to care.
     
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  9. Polymath257

    Polymath257 Think & Care
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    Not mainly. it is being better towards people.

    Do you really think that the list you gave is a list of *new* problems?

    'Spare the rod, spoil the child' is an ancient inducement to child abuse.
    Now, women who are abused can divorce their abusers. In the Bible, they were required to marry a rapist.
    Have you ever looked at the number of orphanages in previous times? A broken home is far better than that.
    Sometimes authorities deserve to be disrespected.
    Cultural division? Have you ever read what it was like arount the time of the American Revolution?
    Drug abuse? How about in the late 1800's and even early 1900's?

    I would bet that in *every one* of the things on your list, the culture has improved.
     
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  10. Polymath257

    Polymath257 Think & Care
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    Some people thought that *slavery* was bad in the Civil War.
    But most at the time thought 'separate, but equal' was acceptable.
    Racism was in the fiber of the society at that time.
    With the rise of eno-Nazi's, the details of police brutality
    (fortunately, now possible to record), the fulminations
    of our current president, etc, you can hardly say we have or
    had equality between the races.

    At worst, white men have had to give up a bit of the power we've
    enjoyed for far too long and to be come a bit more aware of
    how our actions affect others.

    Sorry, but this is also a moral advance.

    That other systems are worse doens't mean we can't improve the one we have.
    Furthermore, if we see places where it needs improvement,
    we *should* improve it as opposed to keeping a status quo
    that is based on bigotry.

    One of the main draws of the USA is its tremendous economy. Even in
    'bad' times, it is pretty good. But it's *moral* attitudes are recognized
    around the free world as being deficient and in need of serious repair.
     
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    your point is valid sir. He did preach the words of the bible. In that case it is the bible that should have been kicked out. I like the way you think.
     
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    Aren't gays migrating to Russia in droves today?
    ;)

    As I like to say to Marxists, show me a Marxist society that worked.
    As for gay rights - ordinary people in those societies had NO RIGHTS.
    All rights went to the Ruling Class.
     
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  13. Woberts

    Woberts The Perfumed Seneschal

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    >compares capitalist Russia to communist USSR to discredit it.
    >Thinks Cultural Marxism exists

    My poe radar is going crazy...
     
  14. Revoltingest

    Revoltingest Libertarian Capitalist Unbeling Baconist
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    That would explain all the plagues, smiting, oppression & other disasters.

    Revoltifarian sign....
    BRUCE JENNER IS ONE UGLY WOMAN
    WE CELEBRATE THE RIGHT TO BE UGLY
     
  15. PruePhillip

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    Well, we know Putin's attitude towards gays - we won't stop them but
    they won't convert our children like they do in the West (paraphrasing
    him.)
    But what was Stalin and Lenin's view on gays? Let's forget the millions
    and millions or ORDINARY Russians sent to the gulags or worse - what
    was the fate of the homosexuals?
    And what was the attitude of other liberated countries like East Germany,
    Vietnam, Cambodia, Cuba, China etc. to homosexuals?

    ps cultural Marxist has existed as a concept since at least the time of
    the Frankfurt School
    Frankfurt School - Wikipedia

    Many American university professors openly claim to be Marxist, so too
    do their students. Many more are Democrat or to the left of that party.
     
  16. Woberts

    Woberts The Perfumed Seneschal

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    You're saying that communism is bad because Putin is bad.
    Weird flex, but ok.
     
  17. A Vestigial Mote

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    Adapt or fail. This is basically a fundamental idea within existence as we perceive it.

    • Hungry, but can't get the food you used to eat? Better find a new food source.
    • Only safe place for you is in the trees? Better become a good climber.
    • Your particular skill/trade getting sourced in robotics? Maybe a change of career is in order.
    • Stuck parroting old, outdated (and let's face it in this case - bigoted) ideas to a crowd who doesn't agree with you? Change or don't, it's up to you to live with the consequences.

    Choosing not to adapt in most cases is suicide in that area of your life. If we were truly talking about immutable facts it would be one thing... but we're not. And anyone who thinks we are is also failing to adapt. It is a failure to adapt to a rational outlook.
     
  18. Amanaki

    Amanaki The truth lay within you.

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    When a person follow a religion they adapt toward what the religion teach, and no they should not "fix" the teaching to fit them self, it is the other way around.
    For those who are not following a religion does not need to think of this things.

    Even the teaching are many thousand years old it is still a spiritual teaching that is right for those who choose to follow it. for those who do not follow it they dont need to see it as the truth.
     
  19. 9-10ths_Penguin

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    Or what if he actually followed Jesus's example and emphasized comforting the afflicted, feeding the hungry, condemning the wealthy, and railing against people who practice religion without love?
     
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    Pastor Justin Hoke should be one happy man, and go his way rejoicing. 2 Corinthians 6:17, 18
     
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