Past Transgressions

[BlackAce]

I was a member of an online Satanist Group. All was going well and there were some healthy debates and discussions, I avoided most of them but enjoyed reading them.

Finally I joined in on one of them which was -if a homeless person needed CPR would you give it to them- I answered that I would, having been homeless once, I knew what it was like to be treated like garbage so I would not likely treat someone in that way...

The discussion then turned to talk of drug addicted homeless people who put themselves on the streets and would I then bother with CPR....which then turned into a discussion of Redemption for drug users/child molesters and such people as that.

The General consensus of the group was that those people could not change their lives around, they could not be truly remorseful for their crimes and they could not be truly reformed and that If one of my friends were to suddenly tell me that they were an ex drug user or an ex-child pornographer or whatever, i should drop them ASAP and move on.

I have a friend who used to do drugs, she has been clean and sober for 28 years now, i have a friend who molested children when he was 12 (he molested 2-5 year olds) he went to Juvie, was beaten and raped there, came out, reformed. That was 41 Years ago. I do not judge people on their past if they are TRULY remorseful/reformed. I base my treatment of people on how they treat me. I also have a past. I will not reveal what but I am not perfect.

I was removed from the group for not going along with the herd mentality and then of course told I was a pseudo Satanist and to not return. Fine. I do not need approval to call myself what I feel I am.

Not the issue. The issue is: Would you drop someone who had proven themselves to you as worthy over and over again, even if they had a past such as the ones described above? would you grant someone a second chance and more importantly, isnt it up to me to decide who is worthy of a second chance?

Thanks for your time!

 

[ScottySatan]

Giving unsolicited advice is by far the most common Satanic sin online.

Since you asked, I'd say do whatever the hell you want. If I were thinking about your personal success, I'd say that you should be on the lookout for psychic vampires. Other than that, you're a big boy. You can figure it out for yourself. I don't know anything about those people.

 

[The Sum of Awe]

If they are worthy in the present, that's all that matters. Their choices beforehand are of no matter now. I will get along with anyone until they go by the means of harming another, but even then I would still get along with them (unless of course they are a danger for any of my loved ones or me to be around), but I would still hold the opinion that I dislike their lifestyle, but it would remain that way, it's their life so I'll stay out of it, being put into their personal issues by telling them that you dislike their lifestyle wouldn't make them change their minds in most cases, if anything it could make stop liking you, thus you could be in danger.

Like I said, if it was something done in the past, I would shame their past-self, although only personally, not openly. The present is the only thing that is real, the past is simply memories and the future is to be told, therefore neither having a physical existence.

 

[nilsz]

It would depend on the individual instances. I understand that people have backgrounds putting them in the state and situation they are in, and that few people are entirely beyond saving. I would however consider the agony and risk my relationship with this person brings me.

I am not very familiar with Satanism, and I am not sure if yours is theistic or LaVeyan. What I have heard, is that LaVeyan Satanism is greatly influenced by the philosophy of Ayn Rand, which I personally reckon could explain such disregard for the poor. As someone more knowledgable, you could perhaps better inform me.

 

[BlackAce]

Yes.

I was raised in a left hand path of Witchcraft, one that I would say is a true left hand path because it had no rules, only guidelines to follow such as do that which benefits you and live with what you do, deal with the consequences.

It was/is a Pantheistic religion seeing Ara or The Goddess if you will as Nature/The Universe.

When I discovered Satanism I naturally found myself in LaVeyan territory, of course they believe that all forms of Satanism not connected to laVey are pseudo and not deserving of validity or attention so to them there really is no such thing as theistic vs laveyan, there is Satanism and crazy people. hehe

Though that seems very Christian like to me, we believe in this and this and if you dont believe in what we believe in exactly the same way shape and form, you are not a true christian. ******** at its finest.

The group I was a member of was the so called Rational church of Satanism (UK). The person I have been friends with has saved my life on more than one occasion and has been an emotional rock for me when my first boyfriend died, when my grandmother died, he has been a true friend to me and I to him, when he revealed that he was a former child molester (regardless of age) I was taken aback at first but then realized that he had paid for his crimes and was not that kind of person anymore, he is truly reformed and remorseful, I defended him to the group and was promptly removed.

I have been involved in Satanism in one form or another (both LaVeyan and other branches) since I was 19 so I was almost certain that my way of thinking was correct but you never know which is why I came here, for another perspective perhaps

I am well aware of psychic vampires, had one of those in my life for a long time but while she complained on a regular basis of her ****** life and never gave freely, I was able to use her for a lot of money and goods over the years, she was easily manipulated and was very generous with her cash-and then she would throw wild parties where there was plenty of food, sex and booze and then pass out which made her an easy mark. what....where was I?

 

[ScottySatan]

1) The LaVeyans make it very clear that you do not need to associate with them to be a "true Satanist". You'll only hear that as a matter of opinion by someone unimportant.

2) Satanic churches are justifiably paranoid about being associated with crime. If you associate with a criminal, you're going to get kicked out. that's because of political circumstances. If it was revealed that you were friends with someone who used to smoke marijuana, and had paid for his crimes and was not that kind of person anymore, you might not have been treated the same way. But child molesters have a strong stigma that the org. needs to avoid.

 

[BlackAce]

I understand. It really makes me wish to remain solitary and not associate with any groups or churches. I also wonder due to my other thread--True left hand Path--if I am too evil for Satanism. I have an ongoing discussion with a friend who is a Witch, she says, have you found Satanism to be too evil? I always say, no, no evil enough. By evil...to clarify...I mean...I do not worry about laws and rules, I do that which benefits me at all times even if its harming someone or illegal (and of course I do it in such a way that I would not be caught doing it) That would not be smart.

There may however be a sect of Satanism I am not yet aware of that understands these behaviors/views or I may stick with Eclectic Satanist then again, Shadakism is always lurking in the shadows like Count Von Count waiting to suck me back in.

 

[Adramelek]

I was raised in a left hand path of Witchcraft, one that I would say is a true left hand path because it had no rules, only guidelines to follow such as do that which benefits you and live with what you do, deal with the consequences.

When it comes to the Path of the Left there is no one "true" way. I would agree with what a Setian Magus once said - "The only Truth is that of (individual) Being." We each have deep within the naos of the Self our own individual Truth. And it is our own responsibility to uncover, cultivate, and to Become that Truth - this is the premise of the great Work of Life.

As for transgressing against humanity, I've never had any desire to rape, I've thought about murder - :sarcastic - I think we all have, but I've never done it because I don't want to ruin and destroy my life for being either on the run, or in prison, or on death-row. I have stollen from others in the past, but I won't go into that. If I saw someone dying on the street, I would call 911 and do what ever I could for them out of common human dignity and respect. I could relate and sympothise with ex drug addicts. As for rape and pedaphilia and abuse of children? NO! There is no forgiving or forgetting here. Children are sacred to me and any act of abuse, especially sexual abuse is worthy of either death or physical castration. Will not tolerate it, will not accept it, will not try to understand why!! Victimization of the innocent is an abomination to Setian philosophy and for that matter, the Left-Hand Path!

 

[Mindmaster]

There have never be legitimate Satanic abuse cases period. I've been at this awhile and at least among my theistic circle we just don't seem to draw 'that type' of person. Generally, one cannot have individual freedom while depriving others of the same. As soon as you do that you create an enemy and have to become defensive -- which limits your choices since now you have to worry about what 'John Smith' will do to you. Most Satanists would be naturally adverse to this concept of having to plan their decisions around someone else and their considerations. This doesn't apply to retaliation -- that means you have acted and that situation is *resolved* and not some outstanding concern. That's why you aren't seeing any Satanist rapists, molesters, etc... Though you will find a lot of potheads.. Having to hide around, cover ones tracks, and do all the other things necessary to be a criminal just isn't worth the time to any sensible person.

I do my best to stay off the radar period not because of that type of problem, but rather I feel out of sync with society. That dissonance means that typically there is no group I am interested in because generally I see all the posing and cannot take them seriously.

 

[Orias]

The world is made up of second chances.

 

[Kemble]

The world is made up of second chances.

...because the millions that didn't have a second chance aren't around.